Guilt Free Railing 11

[WouldBeGood]

The end was not nigh,and still looking far far away, so here’s the latest thread.

Usual railing rules apply: all rails or good news welcome, no nauseating positivity or resilience wankery. 😃

Fuck, norovirus strikes fear into my heart

Oh god groovee . What a nightmare! Fingers crossed you don't get the noro...that's not fun...

That's true about men being less careful overall but I'd think women do more shopping and stuff.
I really don't get why the difference is there in younger kids. It has to be hormone related or something.

It is interesting. Could it correlate with the fact that teenage boys are most at risk of complications from the vaccine?

I know. It's really weird. In the 0-14yo, boys and girls have basically had the same rates up til a few weeks ago. Late July there was a slight increase in girls over boys, and in the past week or so it's switched so boys have a higher rate than girls (As well as being much, much higher, obvs). Who knows why?!

@WouldBeGood

It is interesting. Could it correlate with the fact that teenage boys are most at risk of complications from the vaccine?

Could be...so they're not taking up the vaccine so much so have lower immunity to infection than girls? Sounds a reasonable theory. Shows how good the vaccine is even a couple of weeks after single jagging if that is the case! Doesn't explain the under 14s though...

I’m really fed up. Just feel we’re never going to get free

@WouldBeGood

I’m really fed up. Just feel we’re never going to get free

It will happen, it has too. Sooner or later people will stop testing, the last person I heard of with a positive test, had nothing more than a mild cold, he only tested to go on holiday.

Hope so, @Lockdownbear

Three people I know tested positive, one fine, one bit rough at weekend nothing serious, child with temperature. But untold disruption

Chin up @WouldBeGood it'll get better soon I'm sure

@ResilienceWanker

Yes, it's not totally clear from these graphs, but it seems the earlier peaks were topped by females (purple) and the later ones by males. On the tableau site you can split by age, so the first graph here is 20-24yo, where you can see the huuuuuge football unexplained spike in males in this age july. It's possible that the earlier female prevalence was due to them doing more caring etc overall (and of course the first spike in spring 2020 it would only be hospitalised people tested, so may not be so reliable) but it is odd the trend seems to have reversed now for no apparent reason. Ok, blokes could be less "careful" overall I suppose? But don't see why that would still apply to 0-14yos!!

Interesting. I saw an article recently highlighting how fewer younger males have been reached with the vaccination programme, so this is bound to be at least partly behind this. In some particular areas (Glasgow, surprise surprise), and younger age groups, this gap is enormous, something like 50% vs %75.

Crikey...I didn't realise it would be that much. That could definitely explain the 16-19yo then, at least partly, as would said. The drop from then to the 20-24yo males is astonishing, though (when women have more infections then men).

Of course, it could just be a random blip, and the sex differences would disappear if we saw next week's data. But I'd have thought there could be a significant difference there between boys and girls

Also, I'm feeling a bit like that too wouldbegood . The talk of further restrictions today has made me a bit morose again. I honestly thought we would get through this spike without that having to happen (cos hospitals and deaths are still lowish). But if they're still thinking in that way now, I can't see how things will get better over winter. I'm also afraid they will roll back on the no-isolation of household contacts. On one hand I think that may cut down on spread from pre-symptomatic people and so on (which would reduce my anxiety about further restrictions if "cases" is what we need to avoid to avoid them). But on the other hand - Noooooo! We need to start getting on with things without testing/ isolating when so few people get really ill. Bleargh.

Thanks guys.

I see she’s making another statement tomorrow, but Chris Musson saying no restrictions expected…. Maybe hasn’t gone down well again.

Another lecture? Open your mouth and let your belly rumble, to quote my mother

In the name of the wee manny, does she not get bored of her own voice?

She's isolated for a few hours and realised how fecking boring it is☺️☺️☺️

Sorry youre feeling fed up @WouldBeGood. I totally get it

Thanks @ssd

Open your mouth and let your belly rumble, to quote my mother

That was one of my DDads favourite sayings.

I'm sure she's been telt that restrictions aren't going to be funded and closing hospitality just moves people into houses.

They've done a right number on us with their behave yourselves to protect the NHS messaging. It's the fault of politicians that the NHS is so stretched. It was the government who made the decision to push pandemic preparedness to the bottom of its priorities and their incompetence and waste of public funds on poorly run public health provisions has put further strain on the NHS. They decided to fund fewer hospital beds and have fewer GPS than other comparable countries. Not the public. The government closed nearly everything including fitness facilities then subsidised restaurants, frightened everyone into delaying medical appointments and caused massive hikes in the rates of mental ill health with their fear mongering, all of which is putting extra strain on the NHS, yet day after day NS and JL tell us to play our part, be vigilant, be careful, be cautious. I hope they feel incredibly lucky that there hasn't been wholescale civil unrest and disobedience. It's remarkable that there hasn't been public fury at their mismanagement and subsequent gaslighting. It's nasty stuff and not how leaders should lead. They've had such an easy time with the media which never asks what's being done to increase NHS capacity.

It's just awful that we're being emotionally beaten down by our awful government.

@mibbelucieachwell

They've done a right number on us with their behave yourselves to protect the NHS messaging. It's the fault of politicians that the NHS is so stretched. It was the government who made the decision to push pandemic preparedness to the bottom of its priorities and their incompetence and waste of public funds on poorly run public health provisions has put further strain on the NHS. They decided to fund fewer hospital beds and have fewer GPS than other comparable countries. Not the public. The government closed nearly everything including fitness facilities then subsidised restaurants, frightened everyone into delaying medical appointments and caused massive hikes in the rates of mental ill health with their fear mongering, all of which is putting extra strain on the NHS, yet day after day NS and JL tell us to play our part, be vigilant, be careful, be cautious. I hope they feel incredibly lucky that there hasn't been wholescale civil unrest and disobedience. It's remarkable that there hasn't been public fury at their mismanagement and subsequent gaslighting. It's nasty stuff and not how leaders should lead. They've had such an easy time with the media which never asks what's being done to increase NHS capacity.

It's just awful that we're being emotionally beaten down by our awful government.

Couldn't agree more.

Yip and still no big recruitment drive to get the many nurses who've walked away back into nursing.
No big increase the nursing courses.

No real plans to make the country better just close it down, shut it, padlock the gates and send the men home copied from a song.

@mibbelucieachwell

They've done a right number on us with their behave yourselves to protect the NHS messaging. It's the fault of politicians that the NHS is so stretched. It was the government who made the decision to push pandemic preparedness to the bottom of its priorities and their incompetence and waste of public funds on poorly run public health provisions has put further strain on the NHS. They decided to fund fewer hospital beds and have fewer GPS than other comparable countries. Not the public. The government closed nearly everything including fitness facilities then subsidised restaurants, frightened everyone into delaying medical appointments and caused massive hikes in the rates of mental ill health with their fear mongering, all of which is putting extra strain on the NHS, yet day after day NS and JL tell us to play our part, be vigilant, be careful, be cautious. I hope they feel incredibly lucky that there hasn't been wholescale civil unrest and disobedience. It's remarkable that there hasn't been public fury at their mismanagement and subsequent gaslighting. It's nasty stuff and not how leaders should lead. They've had such an easy time with the media which never asks what's being done to increase NHS capacity.

It's just awful that we're being emotionally beaten down by our awful government.

Yes. All of this! Pushing the blame and responsibility onto the public (including the elderly, kids and people with health conditions of course) has been outrageous. No, it's not the governments' fault covid hit at the time it did, but their management of it (Yy, BoJo and NS alike) has been awful - trying to brush years of mismanagement under the carpet by telling us not to impose ourselves and our disgusting viruses on the system that they've messed up. And insisting we go far beyond reasonable public health measures (by guilt trip or legislation) to do so.

We're so messed up as a society now - people blaming others for themselves getting ill or potentially getting ill, not doing things we'd like to do to avoid judgement of others, restricting their children to prevent future activities being disrupted, living apart from their own household to avoid illness and so on... We've all gone collectively bonkers.

I’m always trying to make the best of everything glass half full person. But this is never ending, her droning on and on with endless platitudes for god sake women just leave us be. We’re not listening we’re doing best we can in the sh&t situation you and your gov have got us in.

Yep agree @mibbelucieachwell
I know I've said on here before we have family in another European country and their schools reopened in august 2020 and stayed open for whole academic year.
BUT they spend way more on healthcare than we do in any UK nations so have loads more hospital beds. They didn't have to shut schools to save the nhs!

NHS was overstretched before a new deadly disease hit it.
It's time now to set up and staff dedicated COVID ward in every health board so we can live a more normal life alongside COVID.
Gov obviously hoped vaccines would make it go away but that's not the case, although does greatly reduce severity of disease.
And let's have a grown up conversation about how we are going to fund it