Guilt Free Railing 10

[WouldBeGood]

Is the end nigh?

So folk were just helpfully offering you potential alternatives 🤷🏻‍♀️

@WouldBeGood

As well as weddings, events, libraries, swimming, leisure centres: the list goes on and on.

I’ve never met nor spoken to a single one of DS’ teachers.

They want testing everywhere.

How is this even vaguely normal?

It's not. I think it's moving in the right direction though.

200 people can attend weddings.
I've got tickets booked for a festival for thousands.
Can go out and enjoy ourselves at a pub.
Take the kids to soft play.

Not perfect. Moving in the right direction.

I expect to be able to do the same things as I could if I lived in Berwick/South of the border.
Rock up for a swimming session without pre booking a space. Go to the loo in a cafe I have been sat in for an hour without having to put a mask on if I don't choose to.
Watch a film in the cinema normally, drop my child off at nursery without having to put a mask on.

None of that is possible.
As for gigs and events many are put off by the level of hoops they need to jump through to show covid controls hence they either get cancelled or they are being delayed yet again. It is very complex and a difficult process when over the low numbers. Major businesses who regularly set up these events are struggling let alone smaller community projects.

Well I didn't think I needed to be specific given I'd just posted saying I missed going to the panto, I meant the panto I normally go to which I went to book and was cancelled. It was a short response based on that, not that I'd trawled the Internet and found every panto cancelled.

@Scottishskifun sadly, even in England the madness continues. Got to prebook to visit a gallery, they want masks; masks in the theatre throughout the show. Hence my cancelling my trips there with DCs

I don't think people were offering alternatives, just stating that other pantos were going ahead.

I think it’s pretty gutting when local events/traditions can’t proceed.

I reckon people don’t trust the SG, who are continually saying more lockdown might be necessary, and have done bugger all to shore up health services to cope.

@ElephantOfRisk

Well I didn't think I needed to be specific given I'd just posted saying I missed going to the panto, I meant the panto I normally go to which I went to book and was cancelled. It was a short response based on that, not that I'd trawled the Internet and found every panto cancelled.

Ah we've to be mind readers! I think people were just letting you know many pantos were still on. Trying to be helpful and correct an inaccuracy.

Individual companies and organisers appear to be cancelling certain events off their own back but it's not really an SG restriction thing if other similar, or indeed larger, events are going ahead.

@forfucksakenett

But many other festivals and large events are going ahead. Who cancelled it?

The people organising it.

www.shetnews.co.uk/2021/08/13/lerwick-up-helly-aa-postponed-to-2023/

Because the uncertainty around levels and events hasn't left them enough time to plan it properly for January 2022.

went to the cinema last night

got told off for not booking tickets in advance, then told off for not ordering snacks online, then telt to wear our masks at all times, including when seated (well away from anyone else, not that there were many people there).

Its all madness

@TheGenealogist it's a real shame but it's a personal decision. The hospitality and events industry has been truly fucked over during this time. Other event planners have chosen to go ahead with the planning toward several levels with contingency plans. I appreciate maybe some organisers wouldn't be able to be as thorough as this.

@BridgetJonesPanties

went to the cinema last night

got told off for not booking tickets in advance, then told off for not ordering snacks online, then telt to wear our masks at all times, including when seated (well away from anyone else, not that there were many people there).

Its all madness

Got told off? That's terrible. I hope that you complained.

Nah, you don't need to be a mind reader. Just not a shit stirrer for no reason.

I keep forgetting not to engage with people who only come on to start an argument.

Shit stirrer? Yes I would say falsely claiming that all panto has been cancelled in order to fuel the fire on this thread and make out that restrictions are harsher than they are was shit stirring
If pointing that out is also shit stirring then so be it.

It's not an attempt at an argument. It's an alternative view. If you think that everyone who disagrees with you is trying to start an argument then that must be very difficult!

I suggest reading thw SG guidance which the LA have to abide by which an event has to apply to before saying its not the SG causing it..... Just a little extract below of the hoops! The limits remember are 5000 outside 2000 inside.

You need to apply to your local authority for approval of the proposal to organise an
event above the standard capacity limits. This must include a description of the
event, including physical distancing capacities of the space or venue to be used, an
event operating plan and a risk assessment for the event. Local Authorities must
have regard to the risk of the incidence and spread of coronavirus which may arise
from the event. Local authorities may take decisions based on their existing
practices, but may want to consider further criteria per the examples in Annex C.
The local authority should be provided with:

1. Date(s) of event, and Indication of anticipated event scale:

attendees or > Level 0 limits.

1. Operating Plan and Risk Assessment of Event – this should include, but not

be limited to: consideration of shared facilities; management of entry and exit from the building; anticipated demographics; COVID action plan re ventilation and any other COVID specific mitigations that will be in place; Equalities Impact Assessment; site layout plan; capacity calculations; information on the organiser's previous experience in delivering outdoor events (or similar credibility check).

1. For an outdoor event additional details may be required (depending on type of

event), such as: copy of Public Liability Insurance; Risk Assessment; Fire Risk Assessment; Medical Plan; Stewarding Plan; a Noise Management Plan; Wind Management Plan; Alcohol Management Plan; and details of traders (if relevant to the event).

1. Event Safety Plan per existing local authority guidelines.
2. Whether an application is for rolling exception or one off event.

The local authority should then consider the risk assessment and operating plan for holding the event following existing event approval processes and procedures. The local authority will make a judgement based on professional expertise and local circumstance.

Event planners are expected to work within the published public health guidance

@Scottishskifun

I suggest reading thw SG guidance which the LA have to abide by which an event has to apply to before saying its not the SG causing it..... Just a little extract below of the hoops! The limits remember are 5000 outside 2000 inside.

You need to apply to your local authority for approval of the proposal to organise an
event above the standard capacity limits. This must include a description of the
event, including physical distancing capacities of the space or venue to be used, an
event operating plan and a risk assessment for the event. Local Authorities must
have regard to the risk of the incidence and spread of coronavirus which may arise
from the event. Local authorities may take decisions based on their existing
practices, but may want to consider further criteria per the examples in Annex C.
The local authority should be provided with:

1. Date(s) of event, and Indication of anticipated event scale:

attendees or > Level 0 limits.

1. Operating Plan and Risk Assessment of Event – this should include, but not

be limited to: consideration of shared facilities; management of entry and exit from the building; anticipated demographics; COVID action plan re ventilation and any other COVID specific mitigations that will be in place; Equalities Impact Assessment; site layout plan; capacity calculations; information on the organiser's previous experience in delivering outdoor events (or similar credibility check).

1. For an outdoor event additional details may be required (depending on type of

event), such as: copy of Public Liability Insurance; Risk Assessment; Fire Risk Assessment; Medical Plan; Stewarding Plan; a Noise Management Plan; Wind Management Plan; Alcohol Management Plan; and details of traders (if relevant to the event).

1. Event Safety Plan per existing local authority guidelines.
2. Whether an application is for rolling exception or one off event.

The local authority should then consider the risk assessment and operating plan for holding the event following existing event approval processes and procedures. The local authority will make a judgement based on professional expertise and local circumstance.

Event planners are expected to work within the published public health guidance

Of course @Scottishskifun . But as any event planner will tell you that even in normal times there will be plans for all sorts of eventualities.

You can be damn sure that anyone planning a large event has extreme amounts of flexibility built in in order to accommodate any upcoming change be that good or bad.

So bitchy, so early

@WouldBeGood

So bitchy, so early

I must admit to thinking the same when I caught up with the thread this morning to be honest.

I’m curious then why you police it, then. 🤷🏻‍♀️

But hey ho, life’s too short.

I haven't policed it. I don't have that power. I've just commented my own thoughts and opinions. Same as everyone else.

@forfucksakenett which is fine for events where this is their whole business, a person specifically employed to do all this.

But many events across Scotland are run by volunteers and community groups and are all on the borderline cost wise. It's many of these events which are getting cancelled and actually this is the majority of events in Scotland. From Highland games, to local seafood festivals, fireworks or Up Helly aa.
The capacity calculations to allow for social distancing if people wish, despite not being a legal requirement, has to be demonstrated in a covid risk assessment are tricky, having to demonstrate track and trace is recorded for every attendee (fine if a ticket event but most community fireworks aren't) etc.
Honestly DH has been involved in covid events for the last year and the assessments, it is by no means a easy task it has made it ten times as complicated especially for groups who this isn't their day job.

it's not really an SG restriction thing if other similar, or indeed larger, events are going ahead.

I think the large events going ahead are those run by big companies, who have staff that can wade through all the risk assessments, have the financial clout to be able to get insurance if it needs cancelling and so on. The community festivals, run by teams of volunteers just don't have the resources (people or financial) and I imagine they have been made wary of last minute changes in numbers/ guidance being imposed before. Along with the SG being very clear they won't hesitate to impose further restrictions, especially over winter. Regardless whether you think those restrictions are needed or not, it's not really a situation where a group can plan a festival for 3-6 months in the future with any degree of confidence they won't have to cancel or drastically scale back (or put in loads of extra work/ changes at the last minute, which still may not allow it to go ahead).

I see it more like the "constructive dismissal" of the cancelling world, rather than truly free choice.

Though I'm sure the underbellies and the like will rake it in in the festival market this year...

Very true. It's the wee companies and volunteers who will suffer. Point taken.

Underbelly 🤮

' Wind management plan'
Ah dear, being cooped up with DH so much his boyish sense of humour must have rubbed off on me cos that's making me chuckle. Is this for cabbage and lentil eating competition events?

An environmental concern ahead of COP in Glasgow?