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[dancemom]

Things moved quickly so I just started a new one ...

Good post @Y0uCann0tBeSer10us thanks

The Times are reporting this evening of a ‘circuit breaker’ idea being considered by the SG. The Aus and NZ style lockdowns in the areas with highest cases. This had better just be idle speculation and not actually have any truth about it.

To paraphrase what she tells us. Just because she can impose a circuit breaker doesn’t me she should.
Farm down the road is shit spreading we’ve christened it Nicola. Childish yes gives us a chuckle.

Another 9 month circuit breaker? Brilliant 🙄

I’ve just seen that @OnceUponAWhine.

I’m feeling scared.

They can fuck off with even considering another ‘circuit breaker’.

At this stage what would be the point? Lock down, cases fall, end the lockdown and cases go straight back up again. What’s the point of pushing them all closer towards winter?

Unless they’re going with “we need more time to get all the single-jabbed people double-jabbed”?

They should be opening vaccination sites earlier and later to allow young folk more options for getting vaccinated.
All I see and hear is about sites for testing without any symptoms! 🙄

I can’t and won’t do it again.

Would also be a bit tricky to sell the population on “harder lockdowns now means we get our freedom back sooner”, when England is all back in offices and nightclubs.

When does furlough end?

End of September

Maybe that’s why she’s wittering about this now. Chance to get one in before it ends

They're probably shitting themselves about what's going to happen in 2 or 3 weeks time when all the students go back and there's freshers week!
That's all the double jagged students ( so they're really going to comply)

But heyho they chose to time the exit wave for now🤷🏼‍♀️

@GoldenOmber

Would also be a bit tricky to sell the population on “harder lockdowns now means we get our freedom back sooner”, when England is all back in offices and nightclubs.

I suppose "We fucked up aiming for zero COVID so we have less breadth of immunity, then fucked up again delaying the exit wave so it's happening on top of schools going back, so now we're shitting ourselves at the entirely predicted rise and we're going to make you suffer even more" would be the most honest but they'll probably blame it on variants or something even though Enland is also dealing with delta

I'm hoping it's another scare tactic to keep us in line (which instinctively makes me want to push back - I don't like being manipulated!), as politically I don't see how they can get away with a reversal while England is already more free and actually going better currently. As PP says it will only delay the inevitable, while inflicting more pain on us. We need to hold our nerve and keep going - the only way out is through.

Would this be another “2 week circuit breaker”?!? Last time iirc it started in October and lasted until… April? I cannot take any more. Why is there no bad press about this? Why does nobody speak out? Backbenchers give the PM a hard time regularly. Now we have a double dip fudge to get the Greens into power, bypassing a system designed to prevent a huge overall majority, and the press says nothing. I cannot cope with another lockdown.

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

I'm watching one of John Campbell's updates and there's some interesting discussion about immunity that might also partially explain why Scotland is harder hit now than elsewhere in the UK. Essentially, natural immunity gives a better breadth of immunity than vaccine-mediated (makes sense, as it targets the whole virus rather than just the spike). Interestingly, he talks about new data showing that this natural immunity is therefore much more resistant to new variants of concern than vaccine-mediated immunity, which we now know is less effective against delta than previous variants for instance. While vaccines became less effective against new variants like delta, natural immunity essentially held up. I seems likely that due to harsher restrictions in Scotland we had fewer people infected than in England (across all demographics, not just the vulnerable ones), and we're therefore more heavily dependent on vaccines for our immunity and therefore more susceptible to variants of concern. In essence, our immune situation is more fragile until/unless more people are infected naturally and thus build up immunity that way.

It all poses interesting questions about whether it's better to boost continually, or allow more natural infections, especially in the low risk groups, now that most people have been vaccinated (which should take the edge off the severity).

That's really interesting, thanks! As you say, it does totally make sense that "natural" antibodies would be broader than vaccine acquired antibodies. That's probably why getting covid after vaccination seems more common than being reinfected with covid once you've already had it. It's not looking that good for New Zealand/ Australia though, in that case, as they will be so reliant on vaccine immunity, with basically no natural immunity. Presumably at some stage they will have to accept that the virus circulates and people catch it (though with protection from the worst of the severe disease) to build up that type of immunity?

Yes, Australia and NZ will have to accept that sooner or later they’re going to have to have a wave of infections as the vaccines won’t stop delta. If they can get the vulnerable vaccinated (which is still some way off apparently) you would hope that this would take the edge off deaths etc. But there will still be a proportion who die while they build up their immunity.

I think from info from friends that NZ are getting to this point way sooner than Australia!

But the problem with both is that because it hasn't been prevalent lots of people don't see the point in getting the vaccination and anti vax information is rife!

I was amazed at my friend who is also does science as a job in NZ as she had started to say the same but it's very prevalent as they have only had 6 weeks of lockdown in 18 months up til now. I gave her some more reliable sources to go read herself!

• 4,925 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 45,017 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
◦ 11.5% of these were positive
• 14 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 47 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 426 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,092,295 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,617,687 have received their second dose

Gee whiz that's another daily record isn't it ?
Surely most folks must have had it by now.

Oh sorry down from yesterday that will teach me not to read the thread

NS giving another update at 12.15 today:

“📺 I’ll give a Covid update today at 12.15pm - covering the latest figures, and asking all of us to play our part, through compliance with basic mitigations, in slowing down the rapid transmission we are seeing just now. I’ll be joined by @jasonleitch - please tune in if you can.”

Doesn’t sound like she’s announcing anything drastic, fingers crossed.

Here's hoping @GoldenOmber

I'll not be tuning in
If I want the figures then @dancemom is my go to woman

here is your reminder not to have any fun whatsoever with other humans this weekend. Erm, I'll skip that thanks!

At least we're not expecting a shock announcement of something drastic, no need to cue the Darth Vader music.

Oh fuck she's got Jason with her. It's lecture time 🙄

As a business owner I am furious. Keeping us closed last year with 24 new cases a day now up at fucking 5000 odd. None of it was worth the sacrifices people made