Tieribly angry wee fannies fannying about with the tiers

[dancemom]

Things moved quickly so I just started a new one ...

And @WouldBeGood some of these countries have little enough doctors/nurses/ midwives per head of population
They need them vaccinated, they can't afford to lose any to Covid

Oh, that’s a good point too. Jeez.

I agree wouldbegood. I know it's not down to individual families, and given rae's DC feel like that it is totally fair to feel relief at the decision. But that the past 18 months has taught children that they are basically walking virus spreaders, and highly dangerous to their loved ones is frankly horrible. And even under 12s see themselves as "unsafe" . Surely what the public health message for children should be is that vaccines are doing an amazing job at keeping the vulnerable out of hospital. So even if they do accidentally infect a loved one because they didn't know, the relative has done the best thing possible to keep safe by being vaccinated - they may not even get ill, but if they do, they are much safer vaccinated than not. Not passing the blame onto the child because they are a bit more likely to spread the infection if not vaccinated than had they been!

Storage is a big issue in many of them!
I don't know if they have released the Johnson and Johnson one yet but that would be best for some areas as it can be kept in a normal fridge and is one dose.

Friends in the Seychelles (who are entirely reliant on donated vaccines) say that as soon as it arrives in they are delivered quickly and to as many as possible! One is having to wait til Pfizer donations though.

The mental burden of responsibility that has been placed on children, who lack the life experience to put risk into perspective and who have literally no control over spread as they are expected to be in school etc., is frankly disgraceful. Children have always been 'spreaders' of disease, although a lot less so with COVID ironically, but we have never persecuted them for it or made them feel like they are a risk to those they love. Imagine the psychological damage to a child if God forbid their grandparent is one of the unlucky few who does die from COVID after vaccination (whether they caught it from the child or not), having been told for 18 months that they are risking lives if they're not careful? We should be explaining that life comes with risks and sometimes bad things happen - we have done all we can to reduce the risks by vaccinating etc. but any bad outcomes that happen are definitely not their fault or their responsibility to prevent.

@Scottishskifun

Storage is a big issue in many of them! I don't know if they have released the Johnson and Johnson one yet but that would be best for some areas as it can be kept in a normal fridge and is one dose.

Friends in the Seychelles (who are entirely reliant on donated vaccines) say that as soon as it arrives in they are delivered quickly and to as many as possible! One is having to wait til Pfizer donations though.

Yes, it's not as simple as just getting the vaccines to other countries, if they don't have the storage/ infrastructure to move it round to where people are/ PPE/ vaccinators/ needles etc etc! And of course, some countries with wars going on are hardly likely to prioritise vaccine rollout! I think the bad press re AZ probably hasn't helped too much either, as that is pretty resilient to being moved around, as well as being cheap and fairly available - but you can understand some countries not wanting to use it given lots of Europe is refusing it, even though it's proven pretty successful. It's not going to be a quick thing - and it's not necessarily a direct relationship that more vaccines in rich countries - - > less vaccination in poorer countries. But it's not a great look, to be fair!

This thread prompted me to ask DS if he wanted to be vaccinated. He’s 13 and DD,19, got her second today. He just shrugged and said he’ll get it when “everyone else does”, so fortunately seems philosophical.

Just wanted to check that he wasn’t super worried

The amount of money being thrown around here on asymptomatic testing, and inadequate PPE could be used to facilitate supply and distribution of vaccines to poor countries

And lots of other pointless waste

The mental burden of responsibility that has been placed on children, who lack the life experience to put risk into perspective and who have literallynocontrol over spread as they are expected to be in school etc., is frankly disgraceful

Couldn't agree more. I've been feeling really sad since ds said he was worried about being unsafe. It's not fair.

• 1,498 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 32,735 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
◦ 5.0% of these were positive
• 10 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 42 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 356 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,034,420 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,375,524 have received their second dose

Thanks @dancemom!

It’s really clear now that despite cases remains around the same for weeks that it’s not translating into hospitalisations and deaths.

So, time to lift all the restrictions properly.

Yes, thanks dancemom. That's quite a jump in cases today, and we've been hovering around 1000pd for ages - but the number of people in hospital is also seemingly staying the same, or slowly decreasing. Is 1000 our new normal?! Or is this the start of an increase caused by all the maskless hordes in Espionage at midnight on Monday? (yes, I know it no longer exists, but I have no idea where the cool kids hang out these days )

It's too soon to see any effect from the non-existent release of restrictions on Monday. There's a lot more test results reported on a Wed and Thurs, which usually leads to increased cases. The test positivity is slightly up on last Wednesday, but down quite a lot on the last couple of days at 5%. The number of cases is slightly up on last week, but not by a huge amount. Overall, we seem pretty much static.

I would think cases will climb again now that schools are starting to go back.

Are they still supposed to be testing in schools?

If so then that will inflate them I suppose, even if people are not ill.

It's only PCR tests that get counted in daily figures
But even they will go up when schools go back as parents get every cough and sniffle tested

Ah! Thanks

Are they still wanting LFTs is schools? And will people do them?

Acquaintances reporting they’re not doing them, nor for work

@latissimusdorsi

It's only PCR tests that get counted in daily figures But even they will go up when schools go back as parents get every cough and sniffle tested

Yes - my prediction is that the number of cases will go up a bit when schools go back, but the % positive will plummet, because the whole world will test for coughs and fevers that come along with back-to-school colds.

I think LFTs are recommended in high schools, but not required. Don't know what the take up will be.

Devi has a book deal- Nicola promoted it on her personal Twitter a/c, from which she also tweets ScotGov business too. She blocks anyone (read: citizens of Scotland) who dare to question or disagree with any tweet.

You do the maths.

@OnceUponAWhine

Devi has a book deal- Nicola promoted it on her personal Twitter a/c, from which she also tweets ScotGov business too. She blocks anyone (read: citizens of Scotland) who dare to question or disagree with any tweet.

You do the maths.

But Devi's independent! She's not in the pocket of the Scottish government AT ALL.

Well I won't be buying Ms Sridhar's book.

What kind of person would buy that book?!

@OnceUponAWhine

Devi has a book deal- Nicola promoted it on her personal Twitter a/c, from which she also tweets ScotGov business too. She blocks anyone (read: citizens of Scotland) who dare to question or disagree with any tweet.

You do the maths.

What maths

Been grilling DH on event updates (because I have a comedy gig booked!) apparently they have adjusted the guidance further!
If an outdoor event is under 5000 they don't need to do track and trace or really need to apply just a risk assessment which is good news for smaller community events!
Over 5000 they need t&t and show there are covid controls in place including the option of space or mask wearing where distancing not possible. Its allowed more events to be approved last day or 2! Which is good news for many!
Indoor is still more tricky!

Unfortunately it's come too late for the likes of Highland games, food festivals etc!

Hopefully it will stay for the Autumn internationals for rugby will be mightily angry if football has been allowed to go ahead and rugby gets cancelled!

I think though, @Scottishskifun, that in practice many mitigations remain in place.