Guilt Free Railing 9

[WouldBeGood]

Nine!!!

Yup that's totally what it is. Exactly that.

I agree with not vaccinating children but would be in favour of 16 & 17 year olds getting the jag
Lot of S6s in schools have pretty adult sized bodies and therefore same risks of spread as 18 year olds
Might stop repeat of last year where 17 year olds at college had to learn completely online because it was "unsafe" to set foot on campus
(Although strangely enough was fine for 17 yr olds in school)
Just heard on radio Scotland today about all the social distancing, blended learning and mitigating measures Unis putting in place to keep the tiny proportion of unvaccinated 17 year olds safe

HOLY FORKING SHIRTBALLS

"Javid said he had asked the NHS to prepare to vaccinate those eligible as soon as possible and wanted the JCVI to keep vaccination for children under review."

That bastard publicly strong arming the JCVI. Blatantly hating on scientists because they're English, or something.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/19/vulnerable-uk-children-offered-covid-jabs-first-minister-says

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

By saying anything at all, she's implying that they have made the wrong choice. It's undermining!

Totally. It's very clear that she disagrees with the JCVI. How long before we get the "well in an independent Scotland we'd have our own Tartan Vaccine Board looking at this and coming to a different conclusion."

It's all total bollocks anyway and Queen Nicola has lied to us through the whole thing. From the "blended learning, oh we never said blended learning" fiasco this time last year, to her memory loss over Salmond, to the missing funds she knows nothing about... the the biggy, "vaccines are our way out of this" except they're not, we just need to hold on and stat safe, and jump through these hoops, then boosters, then kids, then it's still not safe, keep wearing your masks and staying away from people.

Rather than thinking "wow, what a wonderful questioning Dear Leader" we have, many of us are thinking that she's a conniving, devious arsehole whose only aim is a game of political willing waving top trumps with Boris.

She can fuck off and take her restrictions with her. I hear St Kilda is nice this time of year.

I think it's simply because she had hoped and expected that the JCVI would recommend that all teenagers get it, and that this was integral to her plans to returning to school 'safely'. As it is, she now has two choices. Either abandon the requirement to quarantine if in close contact and asymptomatic as England have done, which doesn't sit well with her 'cautious' image, or accept yet another year of disrupted schooling with all it's implications, which won't compare well with the rest of the UK who are putting education first. It's likely that cases will be on the rise when schools go back as that is shortly after our 'freedom' day, and if quarantine is dumped for school children adults in society more widely will also expect it, so we could end up COVID capital of Europe again (hugely politically embarrassing given how outspoken she's been about elimination). Perhaps she sees this coming down the track and is getting her excuses in early with this quite unprecedented public commentary - see it's not her fault, it's the big bad JCVI who done it.

[quote IncludeWomenInThePrequel]HOLY FORKING SHIRTBALLS

"Javid said he had asked the NHS to prepare to vaccinate those eligible as soon as possible and wanted the JCVI to keep vaccination for children under review."

That bastard publicly strong arming the JCVI. Blatantly hating on scientists because they're English, or something.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/19/vulnerable-uk-children-offered-covid-jabs-first-minister-says[/quote]
He shouldn't be doing it either, totally agree. Although if that quote is all he said, it's not quite in the same realm as NS.

@IncludeWomenInThePrequel

You think she wants off the hook from doing it? Because she's hinting she wished she could do it? And she's glad they didn't recommend it because the JCVI is 'UK government backed' despite her always being in support of them until now? And to make that clear to everyone she's obliquely saying 'I hope they change their minds'? And this is evidence of her thinking some scientists are nasty because they work in England? Multiple on that point especially.

Fuck me.

How did you tie yourself into that absolute pretzel of a knot?!

It must be complicated being NS working out who to annoy the most...

No. I think she wants the JCVI to say it's fine but they haven't. She doesn't want to go against their advice, even though that is in her power. So she is making it clear she wants to do something else, even though she doesn't want it enough to actually do it against the advice of the scientists. So she is putting her marker in the ground saying if they change their mind she'd be all there for them. And it's a pity they haven't considered all the relevant advice which she has in deciding that she wants to vaccinate children, so she's not promoting an unsafe option, but has just considered more data and isn't being manipulated by the uncaring Westminster government who want all children to die or get long covid . It's pretty advanced Politicking, tbh

Not sure where the evil English scientists come in? It's Westminster that is evil. The scientists obviously aren't evil... even though they haven't given the advice she wanted. The scientists are Good. But misguided. And BoJo likes them. And so does NS, but for different reasons.

[quote IncludeWomenInThePrequel]HOLY FORKING SHIRTBALLS

"Javid said he had asked the NHS to prepare to vaccinate those eligible as soon as possible and wanted the JCVI to keep vaccination for children under review."

That bastard publicly strong arming the JCVI. Blatantly hating on scientists because they're English, or something.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/19/vulnerable-uk-children-offered-covid-jabs-first-minister-says[/quote]
So he's not implying they have made the wrong decision, but wants them to keep the question live for the remainder of children as well, while the NHS gets on with doing what has been advised for vulnerable children. He shouldn't have said that, true, as it suggests they wouldn't have anyway. But it's not really in the same ballpark, and he's not directing them to the research they should have looked at.

@TheGenealogist your post encapsulates my feelings perfectly 🤣

Oh fuck, and I see she’s threatening not to lift restrictions if youngsters dint get jabbed. Ffs.

Well obviously what Javid says isn't as bad as Sturgeon's comments

And I see the good old 'dear leader' jibe popped up again. It's been a while but good to see that not much really changes.

@WouldBeGood

Oh fuck, and I see she’s threatening not to lift restrictions if youngsters dint get jabbed. Ffs.

Is anyone sticking to rules anymore?
Everyone i know doing their own thing now and hospitality definitely letting groups in over max number households
No-ones listening anymore
People have had the jags and getting on with their lives

Is anyone sticking to rules anymore?

If you went up to random people in the street and asked them “how many people from how many households can meet indoors at the moment?”, how many people would even know?

I have no clue. But I do know that my parents and my in laws are all in their 70s and double jabbed and currently have Covid.

So who needs distancing and stuff anyway.

@IncludeWomenInThePrequel

I have no clue. But I do know that my parents and my in laws are all in their 70s and double jabbed and currently have Covid.

So who needs distancing and stuff anyway.

I hope they are OK and doing alright with it. Its not pleasant but I got mine before a vaccine. I'm guessing they got AZ as with the delta variant it's showing as 6/10 protection against getting it compared to Pfizer of 9/10

@IncludeWomenInThePrequel

I have no clue. But I do know that my parents and my in laws are all in their 70s and double jabbed and currently have Covid.

So who needs distancing and stuff anyway.

Doesn't this just show that we have to accept that COVID is here to stay and get on with it? If vaccination doesn't stop you getting COVID (but we know it does reduce severity massively), and we accept that restrictions can't go on forever, what is the point really in prolonging the agony? We're definitely never going to get to a point where COVID disappears if doubly vaccinated people can get it so what exactly are we waiting for? We've derisked it as much as we realistically can already.

@forfucksakenett

Across the world countless scientists and experts think the same *@StarryEyeSurprise*. Yet Boris and the freedom fighting crew know better.

Post after post written by armchair scientists who think they know better but can't spell basic words.

That better not be me that your having a dig at.

Very ignorant or stupid to consider spelling a mark of intelligence.

Well exactly, and we are never going to get to 100 percent of adults double jabbed worldwide anytime soon, let alone the question of vaccinating children.

We'll clearly be muddling through various covid related alerts world wide for the next several years.

Spot on @Y0uCann0tBeSer10us
School age population will get it whether they’re vaccinated or not. So sick of the bullshit, willy wanging over how our rules are different. We need to have the same commitment to dropping restrictions within the education settings as England and Wales, for the return here in August/Sept. Nothing dependent on whether a child is vaccinated or not.

They should be reassuring us on the schools now.

I know I’m not allowed to say this, but I think some of this approach is affected by her and Devi being childless and unempathic, so they just don’t get the impact on children. Nor the visceral desire to protect them. I’d throw anyone to the wolves to protect my child 🤷🏻‍♀️And need to know that anything I decide to give him by way of medical intervention is in his best interests.

England/ Bojo definitely seem to be going with the logic we have done what we can with the vaccine.
People need a break from SD for MH reasons. The economy needs a boost. Get things moving and happening over the summer.
We can't stop covid spreading, people aren't going to dodge it, forever unfortunately, we can only ensure that people have the best chance with the vaccine and their is a hospital bed for them if necessary.

I really fear for Scotlands economy, MH, and for the NHS come winter.

Slightly off topic, but I see the nasal flu vaccine is being offered to all aged up to 16 by NHS England but I can't find any reports of Scotland doing the same? Anybody else any the wiser?

Not heard anything about it. But you can almost guarantee that if BoJo is doing up to 16, NS will want to go a step further 17, 18 maybe?
Purely my guess maybe I'm wrong but ....

Is that another sign that England are really worried about a surge in viruses this winter and possibly sleepy immune systems getting overwhelmed?

Anyone else taken the cold this summer and noticed it absolutely floored them?

I haven't had a bad cold personally, but there is a very real fear that all sorts of viruses might resurge this winter, and the so-called 'immune debt' is likely to make this worse. I really think this makes up a large part of the rationale about getting the COVID exit wave out the way in the summer when the health system is least under strain - when society opens up completely it won't be just COVID that has an opportunity to spread, every other virus held at bay be distancing etc. will do the same.

You also get a free flu jag in England if you’re over 50, but not here