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Tiering up the Covid elimination strategy

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dancemom · 26/05/2021 20:04

Sadly the end was not as close as we thought so new thread required ....

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SoMuchForSummerLove · 09/06/2021 13:43

Haha @WouldBeGood

IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021 · 09/06/2021 13:44

I don't want testing either but these fuckers and their caution 🤦‍♀️ bloody offered the opportunity and they said no. Humza also said yesterday that's testing is a civil rights issue 😂😂 I mean wtf have we been doing all this bloody time then?

ResilienceWanker · 09/06/2021 13:45

I really want to know what these ethical issues are! I can't see how it would be an equality act/ discrimination thing, or surely they'd just allow exemptions, like they do with masks etc. In any case, it's not like you won't be able to watch the game at all if you don't go to the fanzone. It seems totally the choice of people to go there, so they can consent to a test, or choose to watch the game elsewhere. I'd understand if they said that, for some reason the logistics wouldn't work even though it seems fine in England, not that I'm implying the SG couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery but it's these ethical issues that are cited as the reason. I'm just bemused.

WouldBeGood · 09/06/2021 13:50

I would imagine the real reason is that people will test positive and then game’s a bogey 😂

Though personally I agree that there are ethical issues about requiring people to take medical tests before being allowed to do something. Where does it end? Compulsory herpes/flu/HIV/whatever tests before popping to maccyds or a nightclub?

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 09/06/2021 13:50

I honestly think they're just so out of their depth at this point that they're just making shit up and hoping no one examines it too closely.

ResilienceWanker · 09/06/2021 13:50

Ah! It could be the digital exclusion thing then. Ha! As if that has mattered to them til now. You don't need a computer to order LFTs anyway - you can get them from test centres or pharmacies. They're the ones pushing the protect Scotland app/ qr codes and everything anyway. It's really not a good excuse, Humza.

WouldBeGood · 09/06/2021 13:54

Omfg. This means I’ve also agreed with Humza.

ResilienceWanker · 09/06/2021 13:55

@WouldBeGood

I would imagine the real reason is that people will test positive and then game’s a bogey 😂

Though personally I agree that there are ethical issues about requiring people to take medical tests before being allowed to do something. Where does it end? Compulsory herpes/flu/HIV/whatever tests before popping to maccyds or a nightclub?

Yes, I do agree with you. But we are where we are, and while there are so many restrictions on everyone else doing anything else, it seems inconsistent to have a free for all on this. When everyone is allowed to meet as many people as we want, where we want, in whatever manner we want I'm happy the football crowd can do the same! As long as I have to take DS out of school for a test whenever he has a cough, I'm not so liberal, I'm afraid Grin
ResilienceWanker · 09/06/2021 13:57

@WouldBeGood

Omfg. This means I’ve also agreed with Humza.
Grin Can I have some too, please. Not because I agree with him especially. Just, well, because...
charliebrown59 · 09/06/2021 14:16

Suddenly there are ethical issues? The covid pandemic has been one long series of ethical issues as various rights have been infringed.

I'm a bit worried about jabbing 12-15 year olds, I do tend to think we should get the adult population complete and let the dust settle a bit, I'm glad mine aren't in this age range yet.

SempreSuiGeneris · 09/06/2021 14:30

Galling to allow the fanzone when so many other things like outdoor nursery graduation ceremonies are banned and facemasks in playgrounds for parents are still a thing. Our park is round the corner from the school and on any given day you will find half the nursery and their carers hanging out together after nursery.

However seems even more ridiculous to be advocating for testing for an outdoor event when everyone can rock up to Silverburn and sit unmasked in all the indoor eateries. Surreal to be masked while walking about and shopping being watched by unmasked cafe users yesterday.

Was reading all the will they / won't they and related Murder on the Dancefloor bad jokes re nightclubs earlier. Very glad not to be working as a waitress or have teens doing so fully masked up while the customers aren't.

Better to attack the ridiculous rules elsewhere than cut your nose off to spite your face by inadvertently extending them further in a fit of pique at football fans?

Pootle40 · 09/06/2021 14:38

Can't watch a P7 leaving ceremony......just on video. This is bollocks. I should be thankful my son has dyspraxia as we get a whole actual 30 minute visit to high school tomorrow.

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 09/06/2021 14:43

Generally I would agree that I want to see an end to mask wearing, distancing and (especially) the requirement to isolate if someone you have been in the vicinity of has a positive test. However, I think there's a stronger argument for testing at a mass football-related event where alcohol will be served than for in general day to day life. Personally, I would test people beforehand, then if they're 'clean' consider them low risk and let them get on with enjoying themselves without the need for masks or maintaining distancing, or any of the other little measures that suck the joy out of life.

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 09/06/2021 14:44

And of course people should also be allowed to go to parent's evenings and nursery graduations etc. At this point in the pandemic there can't be any justification for stopping that.

rookiemere · 09/06/2021 15:00

Ironically the fanzone should be a good opportunity to test and learn around these larger outdoor events. Testing and a lack of subsequent infections would build a lot of confidence around gatherings going forward or conversely high infection rates shows we might want to restrict until further through vaccinations.

Completely pointless if no testing taking place. It's an insane decision unless they've worked out that everyone in Glasgow has already had Covid.

dancemom · 09/06/2021 15:15

• 1,011 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 36,227 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
◦ 3.0% of these were positive
• 1 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 14 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 121 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 3,422,431 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,313,695 have received their second dose

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dancemom · 09/06/2021 15:16

450,284 vaccinations in 🇬🇧 yesterday

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 109,068 1st doses / 252,697 2nd doses
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 18,565 / 31,492
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 5,033 / 21,093
NI 4,136 / 8,200

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rookiemere · 09/06/2021 15:17

Jeez we're over the 1000 mark again Confused and yes if correlation between infections and hospitalisations then deaths is broken then so what, but it does give me pause for thought.

ResilienceWanker · 09/06/2021 15:19

I hadn't realised the fanzone is a sort of mini festival thing too. So they have a stage for concerts, bingo nights, drag sessions Hmm, author talks and whatnot when the football isn't on - and stalls selling food and drink. They say it's "largely seated" but I can't see how that kind of thing would be policed, as presumably you're encouraged to walk around to see the various acts and stalls and so on. It's all outside, I think, so unmasked. So in that sense I can't see how it's worse than one of those big outdoor beer gardens that have sprung up, though without the 2hr limit - or even any big park on a sunny Saturday.

I assume now that the "ethical issue" is that you can't require people who have come to watch the football test, while not demanding the same thing from a family who've come to watch "draw with Rob". But also, I can see an argument for having two separate events - the football where you have to show a test, but can then drink, shout, sing, dance the conga with whoever will have it, and lick your neighbours if Scotland score... And then "everything else" with no neighbour licking, but also no test, and a bit more standing apart from each other in food queues.

Obviously at some point we'll have to move back to more freedom in what we can do. And it would be lovely to be able to do spontaneity in public without needing tests beforehand. But if this is being treated as a "test event" like they did in England, I don't know how they are going to judge if it's been a success or not, and that "this kind of thing" is actually safe? I don't want to advocate for reduced freedoms at all - and I confess I do seem to have some internalised anti-football bias Blush as testing doesn't seem reasonable to me for a "family day out in the open air to listen to some light jazz and have a picnic" as it does to have 6000 football fans together to watch the game. Even with added beer and wine. I just don't trust the football people not to fuck it up Blush

TheMShip · 09/06/2021 15:29

Our nursery is doing an outdoor graduation. Just got all the details today.

WouldBeGood · 09/06/2021 15:43

Even The Guardian is positive on that @rookiemere if it helps.

Tiering up the Covid elimination strategy
WouldBeGood · 09/06/2021 15:44

And @ResilienceWanker.. here’s the strong drugs..much needed today

cricket13 · 09/06/2021 16:04

I'm just curious re: school graduations, leaving ceremonies, if there is official guidance on this or just individual schools making their own calls?

SempreSuiGeneris · 09/06/2021 16:12

Just done some checking for perspective. Buchanan Street reportedly has an average hourly footfall of 6,000 and Silverburn daily footfall is around 40,000. Capacity of Hampden is over 50,000. Trnsmt is usually held at Glasgow Green with a capacity of 50,000.

The 6,000 capacity fanzone is an irritating emblem of the current hypocrisy but let's not pretend it is bigger than it is.

HadEnoughOfBears · 09/06/2021 16:14

So after all this time & thinking we were on the home strait with no self-isolations I now have DD1 (16) sent home from school until next Wednesday.
She's booked for a test later tonight, there's a whole bunch of them sent home, the test results are coming back really quickly and test after test is positive but they're nearly all asymptomatic.

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