Thread 7 - No pitch forks or Pom Poms - Scottish political shenanigans

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@forfucksakenett

Sarwar does give me a bit of hope for Scottish Labour though. I think he's really grown up.

I agree with this.

Also, seeing Ross and Harvie before dinner time put me right off my food.

I just can't get on board with Harvie. He's so smug. I swither between being a natural green / Labour voter but I don't agree with any of the green's policies beyond the environmental ones.

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Nor their willingness to support the SNP no matter what. Awful.

The billions wasted on the English track and trace could have paid the WASPI pensions 4 times over. The Tories have __chosen not to pay the WASPI pensions yet the women affected are still voting for them. The mind boggles.

@WouldBeGood

w Nor their willingness to support the SNP no matter what. Awful.

I don't really like this either. It's a bit too try hard.

I basically want them to be hufflepuff and any time they behave in a non hufflepuff manner I get annoyed.

Yes IABU and irrational.

It’s because the Scottish Tories voted against the SNP anti women legislation.

@StarryEyeSurprise

The billions wasted on the English track and trace could have paid the WASPI pensions 4 times over. The Tories have __chosen not to pay the WASPI pensions yet the women affected are still voting for them. The mind boggles.

Their record on women is poor in real terms. Mostly financial terms.

The general behaviour and attitude of many of their members is also abhorrent (women wouldn't get raped if they'd just keep their knickers on being one such classic example).

I am not completely on board with the whole gender ideology floating around most political parties myself but to think that the Tories are somehow our saviours from this is truly laughable.

@WouldBeGood

It’s because the Scottish Tories voted against the SNP anti women legislation.

Are you a lawyer @WouldBeGood? I can't remember but I think you mentioned before (although could be getting mixed up)!

@WouldBeGood

It’s because the Scottish Tories voted against the SNP anti women legislation.

The SNP anti women legislation? I missed that. do you mean the HCB? Yes the Tories voted against that but that doesn't negate the rest of their actions, policies and voting records does it?

Also, if I remember correctly they weren't exactly championing women and wasn't most of their reasoning against it to do with the home element. I could be wrong there.

The only people I saw actually articulating a proper argument defending women were Joan mcalpine and Johanne Lamont.

I think if preserving women’s safe spaces and rights is your fundamental position then the Tories in Scotland are the only party who’ve consistently voted against the lunacy.

The English Tories have also dropped their equivalent gender recognition stuff.

I’m not a Tory but it is difficult when the other parties, especially the SNP and Greens are waging war on women.

That’s just my explanation of why they’re seen as preferable on this issue.

If that's your only interest then I can understand why you would vote Tory.

If, however, you are a poor woman, a woman on benefits, a low earning woman, a single mother, an immigrant woman, a disabled woman, a Waspi woman, an elderly woman ... then you might be cutting your nose of to spite your face.

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Completely @forfucksakenett.

For me, it's the impact on children. I mean DR voting against free school meals, the despised benefits system- people left to starve if they miss a bloody appointment.

Rich women are able to stay home and raise their children ( if they wish). Women who are not wealthy MUST work (often irregular hours which impact their children's lives). For this, they get barely enough money to feed and clothe their children and heat their houses.

Remember the company was making money from food packages given out in England? As such, the food was no where near enough to feed a a small family. Yet they're spending millions on warheads.

The UK Government has completely and utterly lost their moral compass. One can try and excuse themselves by stating, " I'm going to hold my nose and vote Conservative " but if you're voting for a s*it party, it's as much on you as it is them.

I for one am quite happy to share women's spaces with trans women. We have been for years without thought I'm sure.

It’s really difficult @forfucksakenett.

The problem is that the erasure of women as a protected sex has consequences for all those groups you mention.

I’m grappling with it.

I’m drawn more than Scottish Labour as I really welcome their approach of concentrating on those kind of social issues and moving forwards, not the old narrow focus on Indy/Not Indy. Actual policies is refreshing.

This isn’t the UK election though. And it’s unreasonable to dismiss concerns on such fundamental issues as the existence of safe spaces for women, such as women’s refuges.

I’d like to see the SNP taking these concerns on board rather than the dramatic video on upset trans people.

I think it has been a real problem that they did the HCB before the proposed misogyny bill. That should have been first or at very least in tandem.

The only result has been to enrage a group of women, in my opinion needlessly.

I think a lot of the reaction is hyperbole if I'm being honest but then I remember the handmaids tale and shit myself a bit. Then I go back to no it's hyperbole. Ad Infinitum.

It's highly complex and I am conflicted about many areas of this issue. Twitter doesn't help it's a complete sewer. The feminist boards here don't help as I do find there to be a very anti trans vibe rather than pro women. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I agree with your reasoning re Labour. I do not ever believe that a vote for Tories under any circumstances is a vote in favour of women.

@WouldBeGood

This isn’t the UK election though. And it’s unreasonable to dismiss concerns on such fundamental issues as the existence of safe spaces for women, such as women’s refuges.

I’d like to see the SNP taking these concerns on board rather than the dramatic video on upset trans people.

@WouldBeGood if a transwoman was fleeing domestic abuse would you deny her a space in a refuge?

I also think it's perfectly reasonable to discuss UK wide politics in this context given that we were talking about voting Tory and the Scot Tories are a clear extension of their English counterparts. Consider DR's actions with the fisherman for example. They are very much a branch rather than an entity of their own.

Of course women's refuges should be safe. I've experienced domestic abuse in the past. As such, it's something I have strong feelings on. The police were great and then absolutely terrible. This was before the introduction of The Domestic Abuse Act.
I feel that the misogyny act will be as comprehensive and far reaching.

Fishing industry. That was both sexist and the incorrect spelling 🙈

Also, to expand @forfucksakenett's point re DR- he also broke his promises and voted with his bosses on the WASPI women's pensions and the fishing rights in regards to Brexit. I hope the fishermen in the NE punishment him for selling their livelihoods down the river * pardon the pun.

@forfucksakenett yes, i would, if it was a refuge for women.

I would like to ensure safety for all, of course. But not by putting trans women in women’s spaces.

I digress, but just trying to explain the reasons for voting Tory.

Though they’re deeply uninspiring and not my cup of tea.

The woke crap has disenfranchised many of us.

How would you define a transwoman? I'm not being facetious - but how would you define who should be able to access a woman's refuge or other safe space?

So where does she go then?

Views like yours make me understand why legislation such as this might be required tbh.

For some reason trans folk have been demonised because of a minority of (admittedly appalling) arseholes.

I have worked with trans young people and the thought of one of them being denied help or a safe space because of, let's face it, their genitalia, either as it is or was, is quite upsetting.

I wouldn’t deny them safe spaces. Just not women only spaces.