Anyone else unsure who to vote for?

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Used to be a Labour supporter but they don't stand in my constituency (or when they do, they come 5th or 6th). It's between SNP, Lib Dem and Tories (in that order) here. I physically can't vote for the latter two, however I'm not enthusiastic to vote SNP, despite voting for them previously. Greens aren't standing either. I hate the idea of spoiling my ballot but I genuinely don't know what to do. Anyone else in the same situation (not necessarily stuck between the same parties)?

@forfucksakenett, I agree, there is no party that is truly a “safe” vote for women’s rights but hopefully a bit of a bloody nose to SNP may get them listening again, I can only hope.

Hiya SelkiesareReal I’ll be sharing your pain too as I agonise in the booth. I wonder if they have ever timed how long people spent on marking their paper in the booth - I am probably going to spend a lot longer than usual. Can’t wait for it to be over and did the results to be in. Whatever happens the SNP will crow triumphantly I’m sure.

@RedactedTaeFeck why would that not happen? A vote for the SNP tomorrow and a vote for independence is not voting to have the SNP in power indefinitely in an independent Scotland. Why would the SNP even continue as a party post independence? It's a means to an end so that we can have a better and more reflective government.

@forfucksakenett - SNP achieve independence, Nicola, Swinney, the rest of them all just hand in their notice and get a proper job? As if.

@RaspberryCoulis it's not up to them. Its up to the Scottish voters.

[quote forfucksakenett]@RedactedTaeFeck why would that not happen? A vote for the SNP tomorrow and a vote for independence is not voting to have the SNP in power indefinitely in an independent Scotland. Why would the SNP even continue as a party post independence? It's a means to an end so that we can have a better and more reflective government. [/quote]
So you think that the SNP, Nicola et al, are just going to go away and not govern the country that they feel entitled to run?

It might happen eventually but probably not in my lifetime. By the time it's voted for, then negotiated, then happens, then maybe two or three elections down the line (whilst still in austerity) some of the 40% party faithful might start to move onto other parties - maybe.

I'm trying to be realistic. Boris etc could be out in 2024 in the UK, natural labour voters in Scotland who want Labour in Holyrood wont be getting that anytime soon.

I hope you are right and that SNP lose votes tomorrow. I'm not convinced there will be a significant enough difference to be honest but I hope that there is enough of a loss (and hopefully no gain) that they realise that they are peeing off their own supporters with their policies.

First vote will definitely be a tactical vote for Labour. Unsure about second.

@Goldrill

Yes I am not a fan of Salmond at all but was hoping maybe... party not just one person and all that? Or is it more like Farage attracting like minded characters.

More the latter from what I have seen.

Also stated independence push from day 1....with a pandemic.... NHS backlog..... Huge economic issues currently......

Ireland, Norway, Belgium, Portugal, Malta and several other countries have, for some years, followed the same process for gender identification that Scotland will move to.

[quote forfucksakenett]@RedactedTaeFeck why would that not happen? A vote for the SNP tomorrow and a vote for independence is not voting to have the SNP in power indefinitely in an independent Scotland. Why would the SNP even continue as a party post independence? It's a means to an end so that we can have a better and more reflective government. [/quote]
Your also leaving it up to Nicola et Al to negotiate the divorce in the first place......

Why would the SNP even continue as a party post independence? It's a means to an end so that we can have a better and more reflective government.

That's why I voted SNP 1&2 (postal vote). Once we have independence I have no doubt the SNP will split (and split again). It will have outlived its purpose. I'm a member. I have no illusions that I will be toeing the party line after we gain independence. Once it's job is done we can decide what kind of country we want with different parties with different policies to choose from. At the moment we'll have Tory rule forever unless we get out of this rotten one- sided union.

@RedactedTaeFeck absolute nonsense.

She's actually on record as saying that if Scotland secured independence there would have to be an election early on.

It's a newly independent country they can't just trundle along with the same government from a devolved country.

There would be a transition period and then an election.

Not in your lifetime? What do you think this is N Korea?

We are going to be on austerity in the union as well. Boris won't be out by 2024. Well he might be but Gove or whoever will be in. Labour are continually polling below the Tories. Let that sink in. An articulate, educated lawyer without a stain on his reputation leading the Labour Party can't beat a proven liar and cheat. A man who has presided over the worst death toll in Europe, who can't admit how many children he has, who lied about brexit and allowed that shit show to proceed. A man who has scant regard for anyone or anything and who has continually allowed the poorest in our society to suffer. The Tories are going nowhere and either we vote for independence or we are stuck with them for the foreseeable.

@Scottishskifun and I trust her to do that.

@TheSandman

Why would the SNP even continue as a party post independence? It's a means to an end so that we can have a better and more reflective government.

That's why I voted SNP 1&2 (postal vote). Once we have independence I have no doubt the SNP will split (and split again). It will have outlived its purpose. I'm a member. I have no illusions that I will be toeing the party line after we gain independence. Once it's job is done we can decide what kind of country we want with different parties with different policies to choose from. At the moment we'll have Tory rule forever unless we get out of this rotten one- sided union.

Exactly this.

@Goldrill

Yes I am not a fan of Salmond at all but was hoping maybe... party not just one person and all that? Or is it more like Farage attracting like minded characters.

I believe that Tommy Sheridan is now a member of Alba too.

So yeah, just like Farage attracting like minded sleazeballs characters.

Snort. As if the SNp would relinquish power after independence!! How naive.

Not in your lifetime? What do you think this is N Korea?

Well......

No, I'm just not young anymore.

And you can obviously think it's nonsense if you like. I hope we never find out tbh

So you think that after we secure independence democracy will cease to exist in Scotland? We'll just become a dictatorship immediately. How utterly bizarre. 🤯

@forfucksakenett

So you think that after we secure independence democracy will cease to exist in Scotland? We'll just become a dictatorship immediately. How utterly bizarre. 🤯

Again, that's not what I said. Of course there will still be elections and democracy but I think it will be a while before the SNP lose enough vote share for someone else to be in power.

@RedactedTaeFeck I wasn't replying to you. I was replying to @Graffitiqueen

[quote forfucksakenett]**@RedactedTaeFeck* I wasn't replying to you. I was replying to @Graffitiqueen*[/quote]
Ah yes, so I see, apologies.

@RedactedTaeFeck no it's my fault. I always forget to tag the person I'm taking to.

@forfucksakenett

So you think that after we secure independence democracy will cease to exist in Scotland? We'll just become a dictatorship immediately. How utterly bizarre. 🤯

The SNP are going nowhere. You'd be incredibly naive to think that they'd just disband. They enjoy the power too much.

Oh and I suspect they'd prefer to have a dictatorship given how totalitarian their leanings are.

It's not about disbanding. It's about voting. There will be an election. People won't vote for them. What's the point of them otherwise? They probably won't disappear entirely but most folk will not vote SNP post independence. They're a disparate bunch really. People will revert to Labour, new parties will spring up. The SNP will be pretty much finished post independence.