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Ding Ding Ding! Round 5 Salmond and Sturgeon

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Blurberoo · 20/03/2021 09:46

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OhBuggerandArse · 25/03/2021 20:31

Oh @littlbrowndog, I’m so sorry about your friends.

derxa · 25/03/2021 20:33

[quote OhBuggerandArse]@forfucksakenett

I have had lesbian students, just coming out, too scared to go to uni LGBT events because of the pressure they came under to accept aggressive older transwomen as partners. I have dealt with a student’s breakdown because of the strain a sibling’s transition was putting on her family. I have had students too frightened to pick topics for their dissertations because they felt they might not be acceptable to their peers because they dealt with female experiences. And more far reaching than any of those specific issues, I’ve seen students limiting their thinking in accordance with what they think should be seen as acceptable at what should have been the most open, exploring, experimental time of their lives, and avoiding confronting the contradictions in trans ideology at the moment that they should be able to learn to test arguments and handle confrontation and disagreement productively. It breaks my heart.[/quote]
Fuck's sake that's depressing. What a time we're living in.

HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee · 25/03/2021 20:34

I used to work in Drugs service and with women who had drug issues
It stays with me, I remember all their names. I remember the heartache
Grateful I went home safe,nightly

26, so very young, not right

TheShadowyFeminist · 25/03/2021 20:49

[quote OhBuggerandArse]@forfucksakenett

I have had lesbian students, just coming out, too scared to go to uni LGBT events because of the pressure they came under to accept aggressive older transwomen as partners. I have dealt with a student’s breakdown because of the strain a sibling’s transition was putting on her family. I have had students too frightened to pick topics for their dissertations because they felt they might not be acceptable to their peers because they dealt with female experiences. And more far reaching than any of those specific issues, I’ve seen students limiting their thinking in accordance with what they think should be seen as acceptable at what should have been the most open, exploring, experimental time of their lives, and avoiding confronting the contradictions in trans ideology at the moment that they should be able to learn to test arguments and handle confrontation and disagreement productively. It breaks my heart.[/quote]
It's just the tip of the iceberg too.

My teen is very conscious of the peer pressure that's just suffocating kids right now. The policing of opinions & discussions, both irl & online is creating such high anxiety. I think cancel culture that's pervasive is a symptom of both the bullied & bullying coupled with immense anxiety & kids/teens nowadays are utterly miserable with it all. One wrong word, or not even wrong but misinterpreted or mischaracterised & it's brutal.

I wouldn't want to grow up in this climate even if by magic it was possible.

StatisticallyChallenged · 25/03/2021 20:51

I know I'm looping back a bit but it's on topic so forgive me, not derailing as such it's just taken me a while (damn children needing fed!) to finish looking at it!

I'm just skimming the Craig Murray judgement. I've also looked at archived versions as a) his blog is down and b) he probably edited stuff.

The "yes minister" fan fiction I read for the first time a few days ago and I think it does sail too close to the wind on at least one of them if not two. I probably wouldn't have been entirely sure who he was referring to at the time (from what I recall of what was going on then) but I think anyone who follows Scottish politics would have been able to get an identity from it later on. Which was essentially his intention (which he admits)

I'm also looking at some of the other articles and at least some of them do enable identification - I won't say which or what specifically but his articles plus google did give me names. It actually gave me some I did not know, as well as some I did.

So, I think he is guilty; I think the verdict is correct.

The separate question - why was he prosecuted but others not - remains and there may be a political element. But, that said, when I have taken the time to read the judgement and the articles in question he has repeatedly enabled identification of several women. So I have changed my view in that I think the prosecution was correct.

Apologies for going slightly off the current line of chat, which I will now catch up on!

TheShadowyFeminist · 25/03/2021 20:52

@StatisticallyChallenged

I know I'm looping back a bit but it's on topic so forgive me, not derailing as such it's just taken me a while (damn children needing fed!) to finish looking at it!

I'm just skimming the Craig Murray judgement. I've also looked at archived versions as a) his blog is down and b) he probably edited stuff.

The "yes minister" fan fiction I read for the first time a few days ago and I think it does sail too close to the wind on at least one of them if not two. I probably wouldn't have been entirely sure who he was referring to at the time (from what I recall of what was going on then) but I think anyone who follows Scottish politics would have been able to get an identity from it later on. Which was essentially his intention (which he admits)

I'm also looking at some of the other articles and at least some of them do enable identification - I won't say which or what specifically but his articles plus google did give me names. It actually gave me some I did not know, as well as some I did.

So, I think he is guilty; I think the verdict is correct.

The separate question - why was he prosecuted but others not - remains and there may be a political element. But, that said, when I have taken the time to read the judgement and the articles in question he has repeatedly enabled identification of several women. So I have changed my view in that I think the prosecution was correct.

Apologies for going slightly off the current line of chat, which I will now catch up on!

I've not read the judgement yet. Will do that at the weekend I think.
WouldBeGood · 25/03/2021 20:53

My child was asked if he was “girl, boy or other” on his school online learning survey. He’s twelve. Not a world I want

StatisticallyChallenged · 25/03/2021 21:02

@WouldBeGood

My child was asked if he was “girl, boy or other” on his school online learning survey. He’s twelve. Not a world I want
FFS, that language is dreadful. Whilst I have issues with the whole ideology, the reality is that there are a number of children who (for whatever reason) as struggling with their identity. This is literally othering them.
WouldBeGood · 25/03/2021 21:04

It is. And there’s really no need for any such question in relation to online learning for s1

StatisticallyChallenged · 25/03/2021 21:04

You can get the gist from page 36 onwards @TheShadowyFeminist - the earlier part is interesting but that gives you the meat of what he's guilty of.

ATieLikeRichardGere · 25/03/2021 21:09

Statistically I think you are right that Murray enabled identification. He isn’t the means by which I figured out the ones I know though - for me it was Wings, Severin Carrell, people on Twitter (using references to some evidence given by James Wolff in particular if you can believe that) and others. So the selective prosecution and the timing of the judgment and sentencing remain really problematic to me.

forfucksakenett · 25/03/2021 21:09

@littlbrowndog ThanksThanksThanks

TheShadowyFeminist · 25/03/2021 21:09

@StatisticallyChallenged

You can get the gist from page 36 onwards *@TheShadowyFeminist* - the earlier part is interesting but that gives you the meat of what he's guilty of.
Cheers 👍
HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee · 25/03/2021 21:29

Recover In the eyes of the public?
Posters on this thread have said the public are the problem
Public are fed shite and managed Like mushrooms
Public are loyal subjects to snp
Some of you hold the public in very low regard. I’d be surprised if you actually know any

WouldBeGood · 25/03/2021 21:40

I don’t know any public. The very idea!

HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee · 25/03/2021 21:45

Well tbh given some of the posts on this thread I suspect many are utterly disconnected from public and regular opinion

TheShadowyFeminist · 25/03/2021 21:50

This is the sort of shite that the SNP basks in. The SNP affiliated OFI co-convener gloating over JC having to step back for health reasons.

That absolute state of the SNP with this ongoing bullying of their MP from within their own party. Fucking unreal.

Ding Ding Ding! Round 5 Salmond and Sturgeon
StatisticallyChallenged · 25/03/2021 21:50

@ATieLikeRichardGere

Statistically I think you are right that Murray enabled identification. He isn’t the means by which I figured out the ones I know though - for me it was Wings, Severin Carrell, people on Twitter (using references to some evidence given by James Wolff in particular if you can believe that) and others. So the selective prosecution and the timing of the judgment and sentencing remain really problematic to me.
I think at least some of it was taken down, not 100% sure - by the time I came to it it was older content. But having read through it; yup, bang to rights dude.

Agree re the selective prosecution. There are undoubtedly some other journalist's articles (which still stand) which enable ID but I think the frequency and intent are an issue here. He's also bloody incompetent, can't keep his alphabet straight at all!

WouldBeGood · 25/03/2021 21:51

That’s really vile @TheShadowyFeminist

How can they be so vile?

StatisticallyChallenged · 25/03/2021 21:52

Are we really at the stage of claiming posters don't know any real people? So just to be clear, am I
A) a bot or
B) a total recluse?

answers on a postcard please Grin

TheShadowyFeminist · 25/03/2021 21:57

@StatisticallyChallenged

Are we really at the stage of claiming posters don't know any real people? So just to be clear, am I A) a bot or B) a total recluse?

answers on a postcard please Grin

I think we're all Schrodinger's bot
TheShadowyFeminist · 25/03/2021 21:58

@WouldBeGood

That’s really vile *@TheShadowyFeminist*

How can they be so vile?

With great ease it seems & absolutely no consequences.
HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee · 25/03/2021 22:09

Yup i am challenging the comments casual sneering about the public
Terms like The loyal servants, the problematic public, those who all apparently cannot truly see the snp for what they are

Genuinely I think some of you are totally in your insular bubble with likeminded folk, rattle tattling on line, casting aspersions and seeing dark conspiracy all over the place

Meanwhile folk are worried about covid,education,health,their kids
And snp are likely to get majority of seats

WouldBeGood · 25/03/2021 22:13

@TheShadowyFeminist I just don’t get how people can talk about someone who’s suffering like that.

And Joanna Cherry is a properly clever woman

Selkiesarereal · 25/03/2021 22:16

Posts like that make me glad I avoid twitter and the vileness that is displayed.