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Ding Ding Ding! Round 5 Salmond and Sturgeon

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Blurberoo · 20/03/2021 09:46

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Ianrankinfan · 20/03/2021 15:44

Article in the Times by Euan McColm. .. it’s behind a paywall so can’t link .... Some quotes. “. Nicola Sturgeon told us she relished the prospect of appearing in front of the committee investigating the Scottish Government ‘s handling of complaints against Alex Salmond . Sturgeon was adamant she had nothing to hide and looked forward to proving as much . Things are rather different now . She did not like the committee’s conclusions and it became a partisan kangaroo court whose findings should be rubbished “.

Does she not realise or care that this makes her look extremely arrogant and as if she believes she can do no wrong.

StatisticallyChallenged · 20/03/2021 16:13

@TheShadowyFeminist

Wonder if this indicates there's some rumblings of discontent within the SNP ranks

Link to tweet

"... three members of the SNP's finance committee have resigned today because Peter Murrell won't let them see the party's books."

Surely the mechanisms of the party can kick in & boot this egomaniac into touch?

His downfall can't come quick enough IMO

Wings has more details (not much more) wingsoverscotland.com/the-invisible-weaving/
StatisticallyChallenged · 20/03/2021 16:16

@Ianrankinfan

Article in the Times by Euan McColm. .. it’s behind a paywall so can’t link .... Some quotes. “. Nicola Sturgeon told us she relished the prospect of appearing in front of the committee investigating the Scottish Government ‘s handling of complaints against Alex Salmond . Sturgeon was adamant she had nothing to hide and looked forward to proving as much . Things are rather different now . She did not like the committee’s conclusions and it became a partisan kangaroo court whose findings should be rubbished “. Does she not realise or care that this makes her look extremely arrogant and as if she believes she can do no wrong.
Is this the one?

archive.is/WwAtZ

Ianrankinfan · 20/03/2021 16:25

Yes thanks Statistically . That’s the article !

StatisticallyChallenged · 20/03/2021 16:26

Becoming quite a fan of web archives!

anon444877 · 20/03/2021 16:26

Looking forward to the dani garavelli LRB article arriving soon.

TheShadowyFeminist · 20/03/2021 16:36

dani garavelli - she's an odd one. Still in deep denial about the extreme ineptitude surrounding the whole salmond affair to quite an astonishing degree. But I've noticed some cracks in the cognitive dissonance she's steeped in when it comes to sturgeon, lately. I think there are quite a few professional females in various circles quite unwilling to see any flaws or failures on sturgeon's part - it's almost as though they're taking it as a personal slight or a reflection on women in general which they fear will create difficulties for them. At least that's how it appears.

Sturgeon has both strengths & weaknesses, and right now it's her weaknesses that are laid bare. How she's reacting to that scrutiny is why she's coming in for further criticism IMO. She's not dealing with it well at all.

Happinessisawarmcervix · 20/03/2021 17:35

Craig Murray is very critical of Garavelli, he thinks her article was much more likely to lead to identification than anything he put on his blog but she wasn’t hauled in front of the court.

dementedma · 20/03/2021 17:41

If the enquiry had found Nicola innocent, she would be singing its praises from the rooftops. Because they didn’t, they are partisan and judgemental.
I have been staggered time and time again during all of this carry on, but never more so that there are still people out there willing to vote for Sturgeon/Murrell and their “cronies”

WouldBeGood · 20/03/2021 17:44

I’ve been thinking about the thing up thread about the Greens and how their full in cooperation Mars the intended mix in Parliament. That makes a lot of sense.

StatisticallyChallenged · 20/03/2021 17:44

@Happinessisawarmcervix

Craig Murray is very critical of Garavelli, he thinks her article was much more likely to lead to identification than anything he put on his blog but she wasn’t hauled in front of the court.
He has a point, not so much about his articles (I didn't see earlier unredacted stuff so can't comment on them) but about hers enabling identification. I don't understand why it has been allowed to stand unchallenged
Graffitiqueen · 20/03/2021 19:11

Hmm wonder what the issue with the SNP accounts is? Surely they're flush with money with all these thousands of new members? 🤔

They also have that ring fenced £600k for Indy, don't they?!

WaxOnFeckOff · 20/03/2021 19:16

Apparently not Graffiti - seems to be "missing"...

Seen posts from people who left who then got through letters saying thanks for joining up - that will then be a "mistake" that will be rectified after they've quoted the number of "new" members.

me a cynic....? Hmm Grin

TheShadowyFeminist · 20/03/2021 20:02

He has a point, not so much about his articles (I didn't see earlier unredacted stuff so can't comment on them) but about hers enabling identification.

I agree with that. She was inexplicably reckless with her descriptions, but is very supportive of the complainants. My guess is the difference is the complainants didn't make an official complaint about her, whereas Murray & (I think) Mark Hirst were reported by complainants.

She's part of the group who loathe salmond (it's quite a large group!) and seemingly unable to see the screwups made around investigating the complaints against him.

WaxOnFeckOff · 20/03/2021 20:08

Says it all really, so the "complainants" are ok with their identity being compromised by people on their side but woe betide anyone in the Salmond camp doing the same. I've spent most of my life disliking him but can't help but be on his side on this occasion. It'll be a different story if he makes a comeback and starts pursuing independence though. :o

StatisticallyChallenged · 20/03/2021 20:22

@TheShadowyFeminist

He has a point, not so much about his articles (I didn't see earlier unredacted stuff so can't comment on them) but about hers enabling identification.

I agree with that. She was inexplicably reckless with her descriptions, but is very supportive of the complainants. My guess is the difference is the complainants didn't make an official complaint about her, whereas Murray & (I think) Mark Hirst were reported by complainants.

She's part of the group who loathe salmond (it's quite a large group!) and seemingly unable to see the screwups made around investigating the complaints against him.

That in itself is shambolic though; Murray has pointed it out in his affidavit and yet it still stands. I have also seen conversations about it with her on twitter (a wee while back) where people were saying "don't worry you didn't make anyone identifiable" which is just utter nonsense.
Graffitiqueen · 20/03/2021 20:27

Could someone link or dm me the garaivelli article please?

TheShadowyFeminist · 20/03/2021 20:33

Wings' article has been updated & includes this:

"We also gather than a number of members have threatened the party with legal action over the recent regional-list candidate selections, which the party’s lawyers told them were probably illegal and would be (expensively) defeated if challenged in court. So far, we understand that those complaining have only sent lawyer’s letters and no actual court action has yet been initiated."

The SNP are unraveling at quite an alarming rate, because they've allowed a small but aggressively vocal group to push bizarre & unpopular policies.

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Blurberoo · 20/03/2021 20:35

I think this is it www.tortoisemedia.com/2020/04/01/dani-garavelli-alex-salmond-verdict-scotland/

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Happinessisawarmcervix · 20/03/2021 20:35

@Graffitiqueen

Could someone link or dm me the garaivelli article please?
This is public domain so I hope I won’t have to report myself again!

www.tortoisemedia.com/2020/04/01/dani-garavelli-alex-salmond-verdict-scotland/

WaxOnFeckOff · 20/03/2021 20:36

Just had a scroll back through her article lists and each title of each article appears to have the exact opposite view to mine. I didn't even think that was possible.

Happinessisawarmcervix · 20/03/2021 20:39

It looks like you have to subscribe to see the full thing - you can read the text here alongside CM’s comments, the DG article is in blue.

www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/04/i-have-a-plan-so-that-we-can-remain-anonymous-but-have-maximum-effect/

TokyoSushi · 20/03/2021 20:47

Checking in, apologies in advance for the many 'what's going on now' questions!

anon444877 · 20/03/2021 20:56

You can read Dani's LRB article for free on their website - just finished it. An odd hybrid - its main conclusions seem to be the SNP are exhausted, women complainants were let down in every conceivable way, mostly by women in the govt with their hearts in the right place but no grasp of proper process and that overall there has been no concrete action taken over several consequential mistakes.

Repetition of the committee's partisan nature, but no attempt to defend against Wightman's anger at the late disclosure of evidence at 6pm before Nicola's testimony.

For a determined yes supporter, it's an interesting article.