Ding Ding Ding! Round 5 Salmond and Sturgeon

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The legal side makes me very uneasy.

I agree @TheShadowyFeminist.

There’s always a shady feeling about this business even if one can’t quite pinpoint what, without the full story.

I’m still chuckling about my aged father getting the intersectional gender election blurb 😂

The Murray judgment doc is a helpful reminder of which archived web pages to look at. I find this an interesting problem as obviously they do have to specify where they feel he breached contempt of court, but that is the result.

She's picked a side. I don't actually fully agree with that side but if you think any politician is going to start backing gender critical women any time soon then I think you maybe need to look again at the world around us.

This is one of those moments where women like us (or me I don't want to assume your thoughts) are going to be viewed as being on the wrong side of history. There will be no dialling back on this.

The vast majority of trans women are women. The vast majority of trans men are men. Maybe not biologically but I would never offend any of them by saying that. There are a few maniacs who make things difficult for everyone.

On a structural level the thought of women only spaces being open to all is appalling but on an individual level I can't get upset about a transwoman using that safe space. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Was it a calculated move by her to attract the youth vote or does she genuinely feel that way? I don't know the answer to that. I do think that that's the route we're headed no matter what our political affiliation is.

Sorry that was a reply to @reprehensibleme

Going off on a tangent here but seen this on twitter and it's appalling.

Link to tweet thread

"Yesterday, on the last day of parliament, after 5pm, we received a copy of the ‘final progress’ report for the ‘Expert review of mental health’ at @scottishprisons Polmont, which was commissioned by @HumzaYousaf after Katie’s death. Not one recommendation has been achieved"

This is how the SNP justice minister treats a bereaved family. This is a terrible way to deal with something so serious & sensitive.

Oh my god. Humza is despicable, I knew that, but he appears to have referred to the girl’s suicide as a “regrettable feature”.

This is so so tragic. So much for being “progressive”.

She might be driven but she's always positioning herself, the SNP and Scots as somehow 'better'
that is self evident Ms Sturgeon, is unlikely to say och I lead a diddy wee party and Scotland well it’s no aw that is it

I admire her drive her ideological certainty

Her precise political overview, she spotted the Labour Party had essentially taken its eye off Scotland and under Corbyn et al Scotland was effectively ignored. The labour shadow cabinet were predominantly ldn mps

The tories also overlooked Scotland had nothing substantial to offer,zero presence

A opportunity arise to reframe politics centred in Scotland with a definite Scottish ethos and value system
People felt heard for first time in ages and they migrated from labour to SNP. Current approval rating is 55%, on track for majority of seats

Even now Kier has no major presence no BIG ideology about Scotland

I’ve read the disparaging comments about the public on this thread. It’s really arrogant and out of touch .

I feel pretty upset about the prison thing. Young and vulnerable people should be looked after. The whole system needs overhauled.

Oh I see you go off at tangents, but Others are derailing the thread
Funny that

@WouldBeGood

I feel pretty upset about the prison thing. Young and vulnerable people should be looked after. The whole system needs overhauled.

"22 people have taken their own lives whilst government officials, cabinet secretaries, the SPS & @NHSForthValley fumbled about for 2+ years."

"No outcome measurements, no plans for continued improvement, no reflection of evidence. It is very clear there is no strategic commitment to prevent young people taking their own lives in @scottishprisons"

It's absolutely shocking to read this.

It is @TheShadowyFeminist. Both my DP and I used to work in the criminal justice system, in very different capacities, but we both know the vulnerable people who get caught up in it, and that this system is wrong.

Why does no one call the SG out on this?

When we went to the Netherlands a couple of years ago they were closing their prisons and turning them into housing after a root and branch change to their system. It was brilliant to see.

Yup, she sure did pick a side, consummate politician as she is. I think there will be a dialling back at some point when some of the more extreme arguments are subjected to the cold light of day, and more people start to realise the implications of TWAW etc but probably most SNP voters either don't know what people like Blackman are advocating, or support independence at all costs.

It's the SNP response (knee jerk) to these kinds of issues which make me wonder at their approach to independence - I don't trust them and think they've ignored expert advice on things like Hate Crime Bill, education, named person legislation etc etc which suggests they've ignored the expert advice on how an independent Scotland would fare.

Criminal justice and mental health need more funding and an ideological overhaul that’s for sure

I agree NS is driven but it's increasingly difficult to see what she is driven to achieve rather than perpetual rule over her loyal subjects without accountability.

If she were indeed driven to make Scotland a demonstrably better place through good governance at Holyrood then she would surely win the Independence argument without trying?

But, as has been shown in research , a Scottish ethos and values system is frequently shown to be actually not very different to an English ethos and values system - NS would like us to think we're just like Swedes and Norwegians but research suggests otherwise.

Look at the disparaging language you casually use eg loyal subjects
You’re not the only one btw. This thread reeks of perceived superiority

Electorate aren’t sheep, they’re not plebs,they’re not managed like mushrooms . They’re not loyal subjects

They are adults making a choice based on what matters to them

@reprehensibleme what makes you think most SNP voters won't know? That's a bit sweeping. It smacks a bit of the majority of SNP voters are too stupid tbh. I don't think that's the case at all. I struggle also to see how they will be able to dial anything back. That ship has sailed.

@reprehensibleme

Yup, she sure did pick a side, consummate politician as she is. I think there will be a dialling back at some point when some of the more extreme arguments are subjected to the cold light of day, and more people start to realise the implications of TWAW etc but probably most SNP voters either don't know what people like Blackman are advocating, or support independence at all costs.

It's the SNP response (knee jerk) to these kinds of issues which make me wonder at their approach to independence - I don't trust them and think they've ignored expert advice on things like Hate Crime Bill, education, named person legislation etc etc which suggests they've ignored the expert advice on how an independent Scotland would fare.

I think most supporters have no idea of what’s being advocated on stuff like the TWAW stuff. I say this as my DP had absolutely no idea. (He’s SNP, but rethinking cos current sleaze)

The vast majority of SNP voters I know are tuned in to social media educated to postgraduate level and pretty critical of what they see going on in the party. I have never seen the unfailing loyalty that's described on here. Never.

I used to admire NS, because of her drive and commitment, I may not always agreed her politics but I would listen to what she had to say but after seeing her treatment towards women, I no longer have time for her as she has no time for me.

No SNP supporters I've mentioned trans issues to had any idea. Tbh only one had any idea on the Hate Crime Bill. No superiority here at all, just worry tbh.

'Trans issues' aren't unique to the SNP.

A lot of you come across as perceive yourself to be superior, certainly to the loyal subjects

Totally disconnected from the realities and priorities of Scottish people
Sensitive and mindful to other women, except FM. it appears She is fair game for prurient gossip And fervent and partisan in your loathing of the FM
And attacking her house
Her attire
Her appearance