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Ding Ding Ding! Round 5 Salmond and Sturgeon

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Blurberoo · 20/03/2021 09:46

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TheShadowyFeminist · 25/03/2021 16:21

@WouldBeGood

I saw that about Joanna Cherry. I hope she’s ok. I have really appreciated her speaking out on Brexit and for women
Any party in general that treats an accomplished female MP the way sturgeon's SNP groupies have deserves to be hammered for their abdication of any duty of care for her.
OhBuggerandArse · 25/03/2021 16:25

Meanwhile the increasingly erratic Kirsty Blackman has posted this - the DARVO is strong. twitter.com/KirstySNP/status/1374992549958594561

StatisticallyChallenged · 25/03/2021 16:27

@Blurberoo

It would be a real shame if this thread gets pulled because it descends into a bunfight.
Looks like it already has sadly.
Selkiesarereal · 25/03/2021 16:28

That’s sad about poor Joanna Cherry who stood up for women and her own political beliefs. I do hope that her party will now stand up for her now and I hope she is better soon.

OhBuggerandArse · 25/03/2021 16:28

I should add, in case it's not clear, and incase HeelsHandbag thinks I'm a griping unionist, that I have been an SNP voter for twenty years and was and am strongly in favour of independence - my concern now is from my absolute despair at the state of the party, its leadership, and its policy priorities meaning that we seem further away than ever from that as a realistic possibility.

TheShadowyFeminist · 25/03/2021 16:31

[quote OhBuggerandArse]Meanwhile the increasingly erratic Kirsty Blackman has posted this - the DARVO is strong. twitter.com/KirstySNP/status/1374992549958594561[/quote]
It'll be interesting to see how many of the prospective MSPs who go along with this are willing to put it in any of their promotional stuff. Maybe sturgeon will be the 1st. Maybe we'll get a wee promo video 'off the cuff' telling us TWAW/TMAM/NBAV.

MuffinsandBrownies · 25/03/2021 16:32

Yup, I think that whatever your political standpoint, everyone has a vested interest in Scotland being a modern, confident, well governed democracy.

StatisticallyChallenged · 25/03/2021 16:33

[quote OhBuggerandArse]Meanwhile the increasingly erratic Kirsty Blackman has posted this - the DARVO is strong. twitter.com/KirstySNP/status/1374992549958594561[/quote]
Just a tad.

You see the latest attempt to force Douglas Ross to resign as an MP before the election?

forfucksakenett · 25/03/2021 16:33

[quote OhBuggerandArse]@forfucksakenett re. the rumour(s), read further between the lines.[/quote]
Is it illegal? If not, I'm genuinely not interested in someone else's marriage. 🤷🏻‍♀️

happygolurkey · 25/03/2021 16:36

Given that Murrell was orchestrating his own senior staff to 'encourage' complaints & continued to try and suborn witnesses to make complaints when the police had opened their investigation,

except the messages Salmons claimed would 'prove' this did no such thing.
from the inquiry report:
, we wish to make one comment about the messages. This relates to
evidence provided to the Committee by Peter Murrell, Chief Executive of the SNP, on
8 December 2020.x At that meeting, Mr Murrell was asked to comment on messages
he had sent to an individual about police activity in relation to the former First Minister,
which had appeared in the public domain.
122. We are now aware that the messages quoted at the committee meeting formed
part of a longer exchange of messages. This exchange of messages was provided to
the Committee in response to its second notice under section 24 of the Scotland Act.
Having considered the messages referred to on 8 December 2020 in their full context,
the Committee is clearer that the messages support the explanation for the messages
set out by Mr Murrell in his written evidence.

and it was the same with claimants' messages, which Salmond had similarly taken snippets from to try and 'prove' collusion.

the inquiry said:
Some of the documents the Committee was seeking were correspondence between individuals.
119. On reading the documents received in response to the first notice, the Committee determined they were in the main personal messages showing individuals supporting each other and we agreed not to publish them.
120. On reading the documents received in response to the second notice, the
Committee was of the view that the messages were also either supportive in nature or
involved individuals commentating on external events. As such, we agreed not to
publish them.

these were not allowed in the court trial either, for the same reason
So don't know why these 'framed' and 'stitch up' claims are still doing the rounds

TheShadowyFeminist · 25/03/2021 16:38

You see the latest attempt to force Douglas Ross to resign as an MP before the election?

It's pretty laughable coming from the smug eyebrow. Does that man know what a moral is?

HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee · 25/03/2021 16:41

So don't know why these 'framed' and 'stitch up' claims are still doing the rounds
Because in the absence of legitimate reasons to question or hold FM/SNP to account it’s expedient to
make up stuff
Invent a conspiracy
Dismiss contradictory facts with but buts
And if all above fail just regurgitate a falsehood as fact

OhBuggerandArse · 25/03/2021 16:50

@forfucksakenett If true, then yes. And Moorov would apply.

StatisticallyChallenged · 25/03/2021 16:57

They continue (and likely will continue) because
A) there was other evidence of people suggesting fishing expedition
B) he was found not guilty on a boatload of charges against many different people which seems quite unusual
C) some of the accusations were fairly robustly rebutted in court, which leads people to ask why they were made
D) the identities of at least some of the accusers play in to the story/lend validity
E) people don't believe the committee got all the evidence
F) neither inquiry was really investigating these allegations - the criminal case wasn't in either of their remits as far as I recall.

forfucksakenett · 25/03/2021 17:00

@OhBuggerandArse wow. Well clearly that would be in the public interest of the FM and her husband were up to something illegal.

Where do we find these rumours?

OhBuggerandArse · 25/03/2021 17:05

[quote forfucksakenett]@OhBuggerandArse wow. Well clearly that would be in the public interest of the FM and her husband were up to something illegal.

Where do we find these rumours? [/quote]
Ask a Scottish journalist, they all seem to be very pleased with themselves for knowing (while not publishing).

OhBuggerandArse · 25/03/2021 17:06

Or just read this thread over again.

happygolurkey · 25/03/2021 17:07

neither inquiry was really investigating these allegations

they were probing the procedure and how the investigation was conducted - so surely would have uncovered harder evidence had it really been a 'stitch-up'/frame?

the identities of at least some of the accusers play in to the story/lend validity

that's as prejudicial as it comes though - in the same way juries don't get to know accused's offending history because it would prejudice them in the mind of the jury.
saying to someone not convinced by evidence..'yeh.. but wait till you hear who it is though..' that's not hard evidence. circumstantial, I would have thought.

What other evidence is there of people suggesting 'fishing expeditions'? as far as I know that reference was in one of the whats app messages too - which, when read in its full context had a totally different meaning

HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee · 25/03/2021 17:09

Where do we find these rumours? At DingbatTheoriesForBampots.com of course

TheShadowyFeminist · 25/03/2021 17:10

Just a reminder here 🪨

All the derailment is pointless, not worth engaging.

forfucksakenett · 25/03/2021 17:16

@TheShadowyFeminist

Just a reminder here 🪨

All the derailment is pointless, not worth engaging.

Hmm the conversation goes where it goes surely. Of course you can 🪨 as you see fit but does one really have to announce 🪨? Surely you would just ignore and scroll on?
HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee · 25/03/2021 17:16

There’s a real self congratulatory aren’t we sooo clever theme on this thread. An echo chamber were you only seek affirmation and agreement
Only those opposing the FM and SNP can see what’s actually going on

Note the posts discussing
Mushroom management .
Scottish People are treated like plebs. Kept in the dark and fed shit

oh I see treated like plebs?but cannot see it. Only the super duper clever folk here can see it. Ohhh that figures.

@TheShadowyFeminist
That’s at least second time you’ve sought to act like the thread moderator when you are not. Issuing Instructions .If you don’t care for a post or don’t want to engage don’t. However an opinion that is diametrically opposed to you is not initself derailment

OhBuggerandArse · 25/03/2021 17:16

What other evidence is there of people suggesting 'fishing expeditions'? as far as I know that reference was in one of the whats app messages too - which, when read in its full context had a totally different meaning

Anne Harvey's testimony about SNP HQ making 'improper requests' for material that would damage Salmond. She tried to present it at the trial but it was ruled out of order.

Ding Ding Ding! Round 5 Salmond and Sturgeon
forfucksakenett · 25/03/2021 17:17

@OhBuggerandArse

Or just read this thread over again.
I appreciate your direction @OhBuggerandArse and I've read the thread again. I can see what I think are rumours but they don't seem illegal or all that sordid in any way? 🤷🏻‍♀️
SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 25/03/2021 17:18

@TheShadowyFeminist

Just a reminder here 🪨

All the derailment is pointless, not worth engaging.

Is disagreement considered to be derailment? Genuine question.

I've noticed this sort of comment before in Scotsnet and it really puts me off posting.