Ding Ding Ding! Round 5 Salmond and Sturgeon

[Blurberoo]

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Oops I see I massively cross posted there

@WaxOnFeckOff

If we're referring to the same one then I think it's creeping out. I'm seeing plenty of references to it certainly, meaningless if you don't know but make total sense once you do IYSWIM.

I'm wondering if we might be heading for parliamentary priviledge v2.0. Or a publication from abroad perhaps?

I wish I knew what you were talking about

I’ll try and explain in general terms. Please all report me if you think I’ve given too much away!

There is an allegation that one of the women involved in the court case was persuaded by the SNP Top Brass to make her accusation in return for a favour for someone else.

There is another allegation that one of the woman was blackmailed by the SNP Top Brass into making her accusation in order to save someone else from revelations of sexual misconduct.

I think both of these rumours refer to the same woman but am not 100 per cent sure.

Obviously if true either of these are awful.

@Blurberoo

Oops I see I massively cross posted there

Well, it takes a wee while for it to sink in and then post so you are forgiven!

Well that Alyn Smith tweet comments has given me some unexpected laughs 'they go low, we go lower' and 'there's no light on in yer napper ya turd for brains'

@Happinessisawarmcervix, okay. I think I know who we may or may not be talking about based on earlier threads. thanks

Happiness I'm not sure if they are both the same person (or of the second part isn't correct perhaps). I have seen it suggested but I'm not sure if part 2 makes sense given comms we know of.

I don't understand Smyth's tweet it which is probably for the best.

@WaxOnFeckOff

And the video of him telling a women basically that she was on their list for being abusive.

I can't stand smith but the woman you are referring to isn't someone I'd have any time for. Quite unpleasant iirc.

@RaindropsSplashRainbows

I don't understand Smyth's tweet it which is probably for the best.

It's Craig Murray and wings guy on the left and NS as the cat that got the cream presumably.

Is he the daddy?

It's not even that edgy then. Just a bit trashy looking. Ho hum.

I can't stand smith but the woman you are referring to isn't someone I'd have any time for. Quite unpleasant iirc.

For me it's the fact that he talks about having a list. A list of people that disagree with them? Like an actual list!

I'm probably on it as I'm sure I may have told them to fuck off when they were at my door canvassing. That was years ago and they've never come back so pretty sure it works.

@WouldBeGood

Is he the daddy?

Apparently his nickname among younger gay SNP members is “Daddy Bear.”

I refuse to speculate on why.

Yes, a nickname

@RaindropsSplashRainbows

It's not even that edgy then. Just a bit trashy looking. Ho hum.

I think it's the kind of thing you'd expect a teenager to post. Not a highly paid MP that is expected to represent his constituents, rather than just the few folk that call him daddy.

No brains, no class, no dignity - he's an arsehole as the many replies point out.

Well yes!

It's all a bit tragic.

I don’t understand Alan Smith’s tweet either but then I don’t understand much of what is happening in Scotland right now.

What is abundantly clear is that what we are witnessing isn’t some kind of jolly civic nationalism.
Recent events highlight a deeply unpleasant underbelly in the SNP which is seeping through Scottish institutions and Scotland itself.

Many Scots seem to care not a jot about what the rUK think of Scotland but this whole episode has shone a light on the schisms within the SNP, the incompetence and the downright nastiness within the SNP and the Scottish govt.

Alyn Smith’s tweet is a shining example of the calibre of the people governing Scotland.

@WaxOnFeckOff

I can't stand smith but the woman you are referring to isn't someone I'd have any time for. Quite unpleasant iirc.

For me it's the fact that he talks about having a list. A list of people that disagree with them? Like an actual list!

I'm probably on it as I'm sure I may have told them to fuck off when they were at my door canvassing. That was years ago and they've never come back so pretty sure it works.

I agree - the way he openly talked about the list was quite alarming to me. What do you have to do to get on their "list"

I can see that the might need a safety list i.e. don't know on X door as someone has been assaulted/threatened there. But from memory this was more than that, like they were holding a list of people who disagree politically.

"Jolly civic nationalism" gave me a wry smile, so thank you!

I can see that the might need a safety list i.e. don't know on X door as someone has been assaulted/threatened there. But from memory this was more than that, like they were holding a list of people who disagree politically.

That was my take.

Just a wee definition of Civic Nationalism:

Civic nationalism, also known as liberal nationalism, is a form of nationalism identified by political philosophers who believe in an inclusive form of nationalism that adheres to traditional liberal values of freedom, tolerance, equality, and individual rights.

Any of that ring true?

Alyn Smith’s tweet is a shining example of the calibre of the people governing Scotland.

That's spot on. He's typifies the dearth of quality we currently have in positions of power. And he's soooooo triggered by an intelligent, capable woman like Joanna Cherry he has to get his groupies to intimidate & threaten her etc.

It's yet another indication that Sturgeon's moral compass is, frankly, fucked. For him to have her ear/confidence/backing is surely another sign of how unsuitable she is as a leader. She really knows how to pick the very worst from the people available.

She really knows how to pick the very worst from the people available.

IMO this is a huge sign of weakness. She isn't confident enough to promote anyone who is good enough to be a future threat to her. She prioritises her individual survival within the party over having the strongest government for the country - and she has been able to do so because the vote split means SNP are essentially unchallenged so it doesn't matter how poorly she governs as long as she mutters about indy occasionally

It's all rather frustrating. The report seems to accept the NS did 3 of the 4 things that were in the remit of the review. But that they were sufficiently justifiable, within the grounds of believability or whatever, so as not to actually break the code.

So, yes, she gave incorrect information to Parliament on the dates, but she didn't do it on purpose. She made a bad decision on whether to withdraw from the JR case, but she was entitled to take the LAs advice who advised that it was still proceedable. She didn't take minutes at a meeting that was obviously governmental and not an SNP meeting - but that was OK given the nature of what was discussed, and preserving confidentiality and so on. The only thing JH wasn't convinced by was that NS had agreed to intervene on AS's behalf, but that was only because AS didn't immediately push her to do so immediately...

So it seems what you "get" from commissioning JH yourself is that the report doesn't place your actions over some (unquantified?) bar where you have broken the code, even though you did the actions. And it doesn't even explicitly acknowledge that they were mildly dodgy actions in the report conclusions ... Which is all most people will read.

At least JH pointed out that it was up to Parliament to decide whether it had been misled (even though that misleading wouldn't break the code, in his opinion ) and it may be that the committee report demonstrates that. She won't resign though.

It is very clear that JH was really pissed off by all the redactions necessary though!