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Salmond v Sturgeon round 4. What next?

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Cismyfatarse · 05/03/2021 18:09

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Tamingofthehamster · 15/03/2021 19:21

@SempreSuiGeneris

Otoh my late teen new voters never watch TV News or current affairs so the glossing and spinning has no reach. Even if I were relaying it to them, in common with most 18-30, they have very little regard for the views of their elders. They are a key demographic for the SNP.
I’m finding this with my teen -able to vote for the first time, but has done no research into it, has no idea about the NS/AS inquiry and has just been fed the ‘Tory Scum’ line. I’m debating not reminding her to vote, so it’s up to her to remember herself. After all, is she’s responsible enough to vote she should be responsible Enough to know what day the election is.
WaxOnFeckOff · 15/03/2021 19:29

@anon444877

£5m cost per job? That'd make a nice slogan. And if there an example of Scottish govt 'attracting' foreign investment then god help us!
We could put that on the side of a bus.
WouldBeGood · 15/03/2021 20:08

My DCs hate the SNP cos my boy is hand English and hates the divisiveness; they’ve missed out on social lives and school; and my boy despises their trans stuff and the HCB

WaxOnFeckOff · 15/03/2021 20:18

My eldest doesn't take much interest and keeps his views to himself. I suspect that he'll vote whatever we say we are voting but he won't say which is fine.

DS2 is a Labour member and a bit too woke for my liking but he'll mature and he's not SNP so that's a positive.

Scottishskifun · 15/03/2021 20:24

So this evenings news seems to be another related scandal with a different MSP and NS with her aware of harassment claim but says it wasn't a formal complaint......

I think the we are the party for the people with no political scandals veil has well and truly dropped!

WaxOnFeckOff · 15/03/2021 20:36

She honestly seems like she doesn't give a fuck anymore - it's like "mon then..!!"

As is she knows that nothing can touch her.

fandabbydoozy · 15/03/2021 20:55

If she does get away with it, and I think she will, hopefully the outrage will show in the polls.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 15/03/2021 22:54

They must have spotted another harassment claim coming their way. Seriously what a pairHmm

Salmond v Sturgeon round 4. What next?
TheShadowyFeminist · 16/03/2021 00:30

I think the way the SNP politicised harassment in such a high profile way over Salmond while ignoring the alleged 'concerns' over Grady & allegedly others is what gives me the rage over all of this. There's also the case of Mark McDonald, where I'm not clear on the full info but from what I've read pales in comparison to Grady (allegedly). Mark McDonald took 5 mths from suspension from the SNP to the conclusion of an investigation when he issued an apology. Derek McKay situation still hasn't been resolved. Grady & others haven't been formally investigated over allegations that SNP officials knew of (allegedly).

Any/all harassment should be taken seriously & dealt with in a timely manor fairly for both parties involved. Not used or covered up for political purposes. There really is something rotten going on with the SNP, and so far it seems we're effectively powerless to hold them to account. That's what I find incredibly frustrating about all of this.

I've no doubt that other parties have similar issues, certainly I've heard of wider issues in labour, Tories, libdems etc. But given the conversations going on in general over harassment, abuse, assault & worse that many women experience, you would have thought me too would have resulted in far better processes & practices by now. Instead, it just smacks of political opportunism instead, still leaving some in vulnerable circumstances at the mercy of people (allegedly) willing to minimise & use other's experiences as political tools.

I'm sick of it.

TheShadowyFeminist · 16/03/2021 00:42

This is an article written about Mark McDonald in 2017. I've not found details of the specifics of what he's allegedly done but reading this sounds like someone saying things that made others feel uncomfortable. Not great & I'd not excuse him over it either.

Link to BBC article

But the allegations against Grady read far worse to me

Link to news article

Yet 'concerns' allegedly raised not properly dealt with or addressed.

Both seem to have allegedly happened at around the same time.

This is why Sturgeon's performance at the committee really leaves a bad taste. Because she was apparently so shocked by what Salmond to her about his own actions but was at the same time unaffected by the Grady allegations.

Happinessisawarmcervix · 16/03/2021 08:15

@TheShadowyFeminist

This is an article written about Mark McDonald in 2017. I've not found details of the specifics of what he's allegedly done but reading this sounds like someone saying things that made others feel uncomfortable. Not great & I'd not excuse him over it either.

Link to BBC article

But the allegations against Grady read far worse to me

Link to news article

Yet 'concerns' allegedly raised not properly dealt with or addressed.

Both seem to have allegedly happened at around the same time.

This is why Sturgeon's performance at the committee really leaves a bad taste. Because she was apparently so shocked by what Salmond to her about his own actions but was at the same time unaffected by the Grady allegations.

I thought MacDonald had sent a text message that was rather inappropriate but he said autocorrect had changed one of the words. I’ll try and check that.
StatisticallyChallenged · 16/03/2021 08:20

Nathan Sparling was apparently charged with voyeurism

tfn.scot/news/former-charity-chief-charged-with-voyeurism

Happinessisawarmcervix · 16/03/2021 08:20

So here’s how The Sun covered it....

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2249772/msp-mark-mcdonald-reported-over-text-gag-about-the-word-fingered/

Happinessisawarmcervix · 16/03/2021 08:25

[quote StatisticallyChallenged]Nathan Sparling was apparently charged with voyeurism

tfn.scot/news/former-charity-chief-charged-with-voyeurism[/quote]
A former staffer for Angus Robertson who does drag in his spare time and has been on the frontlines pushing for the adoption of the Transphobia definition, criticising Cherry and pushing the GRA reforms.

WouldBeGood · 16/03/2021 08:26

They’re all so sleazy!

WaxOnFeckOff · 16/03/2021 08:30

The article about sparling doesn't even mention any of his SNP links, funny that.

Happinessisawarmcervix · 16/03/2021 08:34

It’s being kept very, very quiet. People noticed his name on the court lists when they were looking at the trial of the guy who abused Joanna Cherry and there was zero detail about what he was there for.

Friends in high places...

As a PP has said - it’s the double standard that enrages me. The police carried out 400 interviews to try and find something to try Alex Salmond over and we’ve had Sturgeon’s highly emotional performance to the Fabiani inquiry about how betrayed she felt. Here’s a man charged with a pretty serious offence and it’s just under the carpet with all the other “concerns” we’ve started to hear about.

WouldBeGood · 16/03/2021 08:37

It seems Nathan Sparling left his SNP job to “concentrate on his career as Nancy Clench, a 7ft tall drag queen”.

Happinessisawarmcervix · 16/03/2021 08:45

I know a lot of people don’t have a problem with drag but for me there’s something off about policies that massively impact women (self ID/GRA reform) being pushed by a man who dresses up as a parody of a woman for comedy value.

WaxOnFeckOff · 16/03/2021 08:51

To be fair, I've never consciously had an issue with drag, but if you but it in the context of the hate crime bill, would it be acceptable to dress up as any of the categories included for comedy? That would be a No.

Blurberoo · 16/03/2021 09:11

‘Nancy Clench’ 🤮

littlbrowndog · 16/03/2021 09:37

I don’t understand why drag acts should go into schools to read stories

Wouldn’t it be more inspiring if we had women firefighters or train drivers

I think drag queens are quiet scary

UnderHisAye · 16/03/2021 09:46

Our local Waterstones had a man in drag read kids a bedtime story last year during Pride.

I was disgusted. If I had gone into Waterstones in my underwear and offered to read the kids a story, they've have called the police.

WouldBeGood · 16/03/2021 09:47

It seems there are a lot of men who dress as women, or are TW, are attracted to the SNP?

And, of course, cross dressing is now to be a protected characteristic.

Anyway, that aside, voyeurism the latest charge. It really all is the last days of Rome.

anon444877 · 16/03/2021 10:04

My 'only' problem with trans rights is when it becomes another pathway for men to abuse women and that it's caused women to be left out of hate crime bill because it was too had to protect women.

The more people know about the lack of freedom of speech in their own homes, that'll be the salient point on hate crime for most voters.

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