Salmond v Sturgeon round 4. What next?

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And given they can’t handle this the SNP handling independence - okay only if you like independence handled by a bunch of incompetent windbags. You might get it, but it wouldn’t be worth having given the amount of cooperation they would need with the UK Government to make it work and the planning and skills to do so.

What were they going to do, get the independence and then ask UK Government for help to do it? Nuts.

I think what Jim Sillars says is correct. Clear out the rot, then look again at independence

This is why I think the politicians involved matter I think. It's a bit like deciding you want to build your own house - the success or failure of the build will depend hugely on the competence of the architect, the engineer, the project manager as well as the individual trades. Would you go ahead with a build if you thought those three were incompetent but the house sounds awesome? No. You wouldn't.

Is the problem that SNP got too big too quickly so they would take on anyone willing to stand?

Interesting question Lizzie!

@StatisticallyChallenged

This is why I think the politicians involved matter I think. It's a bit like deciding you want to build your own house - the success or failure of the build will depend hugely on the competence of the architect, the engineer, the project manager as well as the individual trades. Would you go ahead with a build if you thought those three were incompetent but the house sounds awesome? No. You wouldn't.

You might if the architect said that your current house was falling down and the people who built are oppressive and incompetent.

They would of course be building a new paradise for you but could only draw up plans after you agreed that the prior architect was terrible and the current structure was worthless.

Don't think so Lizzie. They started off riddled with cronyism and nepotism and recruited very narrowly in their own image apparently.

They've done a lot of recycling through Local Councils, European Parliament, Holyrood and Westminster. The same characters reappear all over the place and there has been a lot of churn. Plenty of opportunity to do some weeding had it not been more expedient to promote place people they had dirt on or players who had dirt on them.

They have more than half the working age electorate to choose from and their support skews younger. Do not believe this was the best they could come up with. The angst about the black art of the List and the choosing of AR over JC to stand in Edinburgh speak to some of the issues.

Disappointed to read Blackford managed to engineer a power cut over the whole of Skye to avoid PMQs. Was anticipating Boris channelling Burns to his Holy Wullie.

Starting to wonder if NS’s seeming disapproval of alcohol is because she knows what her lot get up to when they’ve had a few!

It's now looking like Robertson might be implicated in other ways...

LexMitior - sounds about right.

I've got an inheritance for them too, they just need to pay me a fee upfront and then I'll tell them how much it is

Lovely example of the responsible attitude we Scots have to alcohol eh...

Who/what is is he talking at in that clip? Was it something official as it just makes him look like a knob, the type that might think it's okay to message a child - but then I guess at least he didn't have to admit to rubbing the breasts of a 17/18 year old girl in a hotel room- not that he is in into girls though, but whatever the male equivalent is.

Kinda makes sense that he's not been removed from position as that doesn't seem to be the penalty for abusing young people.

And we are paying between £65k and £82k (plus expenses) for these people? I don't think a lot of them are doing their job for that.

@StatisticallyChallenged

LexMitior - sounds about right.

I've got an inheritance for them too, they just need to pay me a fee upfront and then I'll tell them how much it is

Aside from the jokes, it is not funny that so many have been happy to be mopped up and vote for the SNP.

Politics is difficult and there will always be different opinions. I worry that the emotional games played by the SNP as part of their electoral success have really engaged people to the point where they can’t see it’s an opinion, not a belief.

This sort of loyal rigidity allows those at the top to do as they please, without any scrutiny. That’s what has happened to Scotland, where emotion and feelings have overwhelmed delivery of real policies to help people.

Wax -
It's from a fireside chat with Mandy Rhodes, an actual bona fide journalist. She's editor of 'Holyrood' magazine. So they probably think she gives them cred.

But the whole aura of this clip shows an entitled, flippant attitude to their jobs.
The SNP seem to be in it for the laughs, the booze, the promiscuity and the money. And that's it.
Note - she made no serious follow up questions to this horrific statement.

It's awful @daisyfraser. I don't think that they aren't entitled to a private life and shouldn't drink or split with their partners etc but just be bloody honest about it.

We are all entitled to a private life but being paid from the public purse should at least require you to have some morals.

I wouldn't bat an eyelid at a couple splitting up or someone falling into a pond when drinking at a bbq on a weekend etc etc but have a basic moral code that means that you don't cheat, you don't drink and make a fool of yourself when working, keep your expenses squeaky clean and don't do drugs or sext children and keep your hands to yourself.

you know, this really reminds me of something when my DSs were leaving primary school. They did a wee book thing where they answered questions about stuff as a mark in time of them being 11/12 and going off to high school.

One of the questions was about what they wanted to do as an adult.

There was all the usual stuff: vet, fireman, nurse, footballer etc. and in amongst all that one boy wrote: to be a good guy and have a job.

I'd vote for someone with that manifesto.

I agree politicians are entitled to a private life. I think this may be part of the problem with the SNP. A lot of them seem to have very little going on in their private lives except politics.

They're absolutely entitled to private lives - however I think it's not surprising that people will judge poor personal behaviour. If someone is prepared to, for example, spent the evening in a hotel groping a pair of teenagers whilst his pregnant wife is in hospital then he clearly has the morals of an alley cat and isn't someone I'd be lending my vote to!

But horizontal recruitment is

Funny wax. One of DD2's friends has been trying to sign her up to the SNP for years. Not seen him since they left school last year. Wondering how he and his ilk are reacting to all this. His mantra up to now has been very much wedded to the notion of the whiter than white SNP standing up for Scotland in a Sea of Corruption.

Otoh one of DD1's friends is so used to being the lone dissenter he is loving the current debacle.

Politicians are entitled to their private lives. However, I’m also entitled not to vote for people who are immoral and dishonest to govern me.

It's not about someone's private life at all IMO, it's about hypocrisy whereby there's moralising & judgement made on others, especially when it comes to arguing laws and issues of concern, where there's a conflict between the public facade & the private hypocrisy. The labour MP who was caught out paying for male prostitutes while arguing against legislation that was about prostitution springs to mind (I'm struggling to remember his name now).

And in the SNP's case, making a huge case of alleged inappropriate behaviour of one person (for what could be argued is political expediency, even if that's maybe not the origin of where complaints came from initially) while there's now allegations of covering similarly inappropriate & worrying alleged behaviour - with the only difference being who is under the 'good graces' of the leadership of the party - allegedly.

I loathe hypocrisy. Really loathe it. And right now, the SNP reeks of it.

Me too is not an instruction

@LexMitior 😂😂