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Salmond v Sturgeon round 4. What next?

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Cismyfatarse · 05/03/2021 18:09

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StatisticallyChallenged · 07/03/2021 22:11

Funnily enough that tweet just appeared on my feed too. Made me smile.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 08/03/2021 00:05

@TheShadowyFeminist

Roddy Dunlop QC fancies himself as a bit of a comedian.

Link to Tweet

He's definitely had a weight lifted from his shoulders! 😁

His dad's response is good too😂
WouldBeGood · 08/03/2021 09:05

Another day, more allegations of sleaze. Suggestions sexual harassment covered up.

Daily Record

StatisticallyChallenged · 08/03/2021 09:44

@WouldBeGood

Another day, more allegations of sleaze. Suggestions sexual harassment covered up.

Daily Record

Of course it may be bollocks but this isn't a terribly good look.

It's not going to take long for names to leak either. I already have my own suspicion re the male and there are only about 15 female SNP MPs.

Graffitiqueen · 08/03/2021 09:48

Has that Daily Record story been run before or was there another incident at some point? I'm sure I remember there was something?

Ooh Roddy Dunlop is a bit of a silver fox!

WouldBeGood · 08/03/2021 09:52

Who knows what’s true or not any more? It’s just all imploding into allegations, counter allegations, sleaze, really unpleasant. The Daily Record supports them too, doesn’t it?

ATieLikeRichardGere · 08/03/2021 10:18

Beginning to feel very fed up of the lot of them! The part about Blackford if true is not great. Well none of it is obviously.

WaxOnFeckOff · 08/03/2021 10:24

Blackford's behaviour is generally odious so it's hard to disbelieve when this stuff is reported. Though obviously the allegations are not about him.

The interesting thing for me is that the SNP do have their own complaints process and it's suggested that they'd rather handle this via Westminster's. Yet all the people involved are SNP members or staff.

Scottishskifun · 08/03/2021 10:31

I think it's becoming very clear that the SNPs public image is of not being like other political parties, being the party of the people that doesn't behave like the others with their scandals and inappropriate actions is slipping very very quickly!
Honestly I don't think people would be surprised if it was about the Tories but SNP have always said they are transparent etc etc.
In all honesty they are just as bad as the rest of them whilst condemning others and calling for resignations..... The veil has slipped big style!

I certainly won't be voting for them again even if its an attempt to get rid of the Tories in my area!

ATieLikeRichardGere · 08/03/2021 10:36

Yes I mean I’m especially disappointed in all this because for a time I had bought the line the SNP were somehow different. The Tories obviously have an incredibly long list of wrongdoing but because I expect the absolute worst from them constantly I’m rarely disappointed and then occasionally I’m even pleasantly surprised. Silly really.

WouldBeGood · 08/03/2021 10:37

I felt a bit duped by Blackford too when I found out he’s an extremely wealthy ex merchant banker, rather than the couthy crofter he portrays.

I have nothing against people being very wealthy merchant bankers, but I don’t like pretence.

LexMitior · 08/03/2021 10:45

You should always be very very suspicious of politicians who present ideals as their main selling point. You are just going to be disappointed when they have feet of clay, which they always do. It’s a rule of politics that looks ideologues fall short in private, and then finally in public. It’s a case of when it happens, not if.

ATieLikeRichardGere · 08/03/2021 10:47

Yes, it’s the pretence.

WaxOnFeckOff · 08/03/2021 11:04

Unfortunately when you have built a following under one issue and also claimed the moral high ground routinely, it disappoints your faithful followers when the truth comes out.

They honesty would have been better off working with devolution and asking for more and getting on with competently running the country. It could have got to the point where separation would have been the logical next step and done amicably.

The divisive approach has really caused a lot of damage and for what? The numbers swing back and forward over the magical 50%.

LexMitior · 08/03/2021 11:12

It’s the wizard of oz! If you have in or for politicians this is not surprising as power and the claiming of it works in the same way. This is what Machiavelli tell us.

The skill is never pulling back the curtain. Noble ideals have dirty politics behind them.

annabelindajane · 08/03/2021 11:24

@Serg

I don’t understand this list thing, please could someone explain? Thanks
No me neither - great comments and insight above . Nichola’s legal career very interesting.
Dinnafashyersel · 08/03/2021 11:57

That whole Daily Record article rings true because it speaks to a whole pattern of behaviour among all the Scottish MPs at that time. Always suspected Ross Thomson was the convenient scapegoat for uniformly bad conduct followed by po-faced denials and finger pointing.

Dinnafashyersel · 08/03/2021 12:03

Just been persuaded to google Roddy Dunlop. Recommendations describe him as a "Force of Nature" who is ... "very approachable and user friendly."

Defo give the fox bludgeoner a run for his money.

WouldBeGood · 08/03/2021 12:07

Oh yes, @Dinnafashyersel, quite the contrast!

WaxOnFeckOff · 08/03/2021 13:12

I might be mixed up as last Wednesday seems so far away now, but did NS not use the fact that she was a lawyer to add weight to a point she was making whilst being aware that the investigation into her legal work described her as having "Conduct unbecoming of a solicitor"?

Maybe she forgot?

TheShadowyFeminist · 08/03/2021 13:17

"In all honesty they are just as bad as the rest of them"

This will definitely be their downfall. It's very much getting to see behind the curtain & seeing all the smoke & mirrors being deployed. It is quite something how the collective discipline has absolutely crumbled. And seeing how cynically they use certain issues for political gain.

The DR story, if true, does highlight the hypocrisy & paper thin claims of moral righteousness they've been pushing over the Salmond claims. If they've got a serving MP (or 2) behaving inappropriately, surely all the frantic activity from 2017 onwards had them well prepared on how to handle any complaints? Wasn't that the whole point of a rushed process? And senior SNP office holders put in quite a shift at the time of the 2017/2018 revelations so of all the parties, they'd be well placed to deal with complaints by now. 🤨

That's the problem with setting yourself up as one thing, when it's not accurate. If there had been genuine desire to improve reporting & investigation processes for the sake of complainants (knowing the power disparity involved) then anything that comes up would be easily handled because they'd spent so much effort improving their internal systems & would be able to rattle off a response that would demonstrate how seriously they took matters etc.

This, as with the Salmond stuff, demonstrates the willingness to still politicise & weaponise a process that should be impartial & should allow complainants the means to address work place harassment without fear of the impact on their livelihood. Because if they're only interested in doing that when it's politically expedient for them to do so, that's still a huge problem.

This is likely to get worse over the coming weeks with the election. There's probably so many stories being sat on, ready for deployment at the point it's going to be most damaging. And the SNP/Sturgeon really only have themselves to blame.

WaxOnFeckOff · 08/03/2021 13:25

I think for a life in Politics, you need to be squeaky clean or honest about your past. I definitely have more respect for a politician that owns their own past.

There is increasingly a difficulty of trying to retrospectively apply current standards though in all parts of life.

Dinnafashyersel · 08/03/2021 13:56

Very much feels like the DR and co have a story from now till May under their hat. Does make you wonder what has been silencing them all so long.

LexMitior · 08/03/2021 14:06

Of course! This is good copy and assuming that the SNP are as charming to those who disagree with them as they seem to be, they will have lots of enemies who will come forward with this stories.

There is blood in the water. Expect more

LexMitior · 08/03/2021 14:12

@WaxOnFeckOff

I think for a life in Politics, you need to be squeaky clean or honest about your past. I definitely have more respect for a politician that owns their own past.

There is increasingly a difficulty of trying to retrospectively apply current standards though in all parts of life.

Hesitant as I am to raise a UK example, I think some will remember “Back to basics” and “Victorian values” all delivered by politicians. That proved to be a disaster for all sorts of reasons, but failed because of the public anger at the hypocrisy of being lectured and at the same time inevitably other MPs fell some way off that standard.

I like a good practical politico- what are they doing, what have they done, and plans for the future. Fairy stories are for children and the desperate.

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