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Salmond v Sturgeon Round 3 — Comment along with Sturgeon

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PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 03/03/2021 13:16

Previous thread here.

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ladylunchalot · 03/03/2021 14:59

@Orcadianrythyms

I don't think this has made things much clearer. I still think Salmond is a odious misogynist and Sturgeon not clear on events. I find this forum weird, particularly the hatred of Sturgeon who although I've raged at some decisions has provided leadership and compassion during the pandemic beyond any other government figure. I don't post often now cause it's all a bit 'Us for Them' and I don't see voices that reflect my experience.

Can't believe the vitriol against Sturgeon here whilst Salmond gets a much easier ride. He was patronising, awful on Friday with his disdain of women all over his answers. Not even prepared to apologise when offered, taking the chairs 'guidance' and showing his true feelings of woman getting above their station and not rolling over.

Absolutely spot on. I honestly don't recognise opinions on here reflecting what I hear around me on a day to day basis. I thought AS droned on and wasn't particularly coherent. I think NS has done a great job throughout, it's a job not many would relish. It's very much she can't do right for doing wrong. What does strike me is that when someone such as NS is in a senior post, they are not really in control of their own diary or appointments as they have staff that take care of such things. Her secretary probably has a better idea of the meetings that are arranged.
daisyfraser · 03/03/2021 14:59

Sturgeon comes across as a deflecting performer.
It was Halloween - what's that got to do with it?
She is extremely shallow compared to the questioners depth and compared to Salmond's testimony.
Talking fast, talking in foggy terms.
She's not good.

WaxOnFeckOff · 03/03/2021 14:59

he is on on trial in this process. He is NOT on trial i should say.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 03/03/2021 15:00

Sturgeon clearly has nothing but contempt for the committee

Dinnafashyersel · 03/03/2021 15:02

Law Officers here describes their role as Public Prosecutor akin to the DPP in England. Cases brought by the Pocurator Fiscal's Office on behalf of the People are brought in the name of the Lord Advocate in Scotland.

www.hse.gov.uk/enforce/enforcementguidesc/rolecopf.htm

daisyfraser · 03/03/2021 15:03

Stats - you're not the only one
I've had a 'misogynist post' deleted

Seems the word is being weaponised by some to shut down others and make people afraid to express their opinions.
Oh the irony. In what I thought was an adult exchange of views.
But apparently only if you express the 'right' views

Dinnafashyersel · 03/03/2021 15:03

stats as you can see similarly pissed off here and you put it much better than me.

ATieLikeRichardGere · 03/03/2021 15:03

Jackie Baillie is doing a good job just now.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 03/03/2021 15:04

I think I'm soft SC. She looks tired and sounds like she trying to not drop anybody in it. (Although personally I think there are a few people who deserve dropping in it from a great height!)

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kurtrussellsbeard · 03/03/2021 15:05

@daisyfraser if you've had a post deleted then you've broken talk guidelines in some way. MN leave all sorts of comments up. On another thread a poster hoped that the SNP got 'fucked right up the arse' 🙈 they're not exactly squeamish about posts.

Dinnafashyersel · 03/03/2021 15:06

Polka not the only one. Why my head is in the bucket. Unclear whether she is actually a pawn unable to walk away.

Amortentia · 03/03/2021 15:06

@daisyfraser

Stats - you're not the only one I've had a 'misogynist post' deleted

Seems the word is being weaponised by some to shut down others and make people afraid to express their opinions.
Oh the irony. In what I thought was an adult exchange of views.
But apparently only if you express the 'right' views

You called Nicola Sturgeon a bitch. Now you're play a victim accused of using misogynistic language. 🙄
OldRailer · 03/03/2021 15:07

Into the search warrant bit.

kurtrussellsbeard · 03/03/2021 15:07

There are elements of misogyny throughout.

The fact that this is such big news when other politicians have acted poorly, arguably worse, but I don't want accused of whataboutery, and never 'faced the music'.

The way people speak about her and the words that they use.

daisyfraser · 03/03/2021 15:08

Nicola Sturgeon was acting like a complete bastard earlier on when she mocked Andrew Marr.
Does she know Andrew Marr is a disabled presenter, FFS?

littlbrowndog · 03/03/2021 15:08

Jackie baillie. Trying to pin down what happened

I hope she gets clarity

I am still in the fog

sessell · 03/03/2021 15:08

So SG pressed on with the case after being advised by their QC "It makes little sense to defend the indefensible". They reviewed that advice in-house on 2 Nov. and decided they could have a case. But they have not disclosed the papers of the 2 Nov meeting - despite numerous demands from the Committee. Further obfuscation. Obviously withholding those key papers has been critical to NS making her case today. So what on earth could have been their grounds for going against the QCs advice? What are they hiding? Why did they put the complainants through the pain of the inevitable JR defeat? Any NS fans want to answer that. It completely stinks to me.

Dinnafashyersel · 03/03/2021 15:09

I see a group of women having their language policed.

kurtrussellsbeard · 03/03/2021 15:09

@daisyfraser

Stats - you're not the only one I've had a 'misogynist post' deleted

Seems the word is being weaponised by some to shut down others and make people afraid to express their opinions.
Oh the irony. In what I thought was an adult exchange of views.
But apparently only if you express the 'right' views

Oh the irony!

Nobody has the power to shut you down except you. People can accuse you of misogyny and you can defend yourself or ignore.

It's a conversation.

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 03/03/2021 15:10

I've kind of listened along to a lot of the testimony (not all by any means) but I don't think NS is coming across very well at all. She doesn't sound very sincere to me, is deflecting a lot (and forgetting the word 'allegedly' when talking about the complaints surprisingly often for a lawyer), and the frequent little laughs just seem inappropriate. More importantly, she's not presenting much of substance - whereas everything AS said was backed up by documentary evidence (and he was much more measured in his tone) the evidence seems very much against NS. It still seems clear from the evidence that she's misled parliament on several occasions, and while I'm willing to believe that the whole case was a shambles because of incompetence rather than conspiracy per se, they do appear to have tried to cover it up. The incompetence and the cover up should also be grounds for resignation in their own right, even if there is no convincing evidence of a conspiracy against AS.

I'm also getting really sick of the suggestion that this should all be excused because harassed women will find it harder to come forward now. This is exactly why this should have been by the book from the beginning.

daisyfraser · 03/03/2021 15:11

Like that Jackie gets under her skin
'I'm tellin' ye'
You can take the girl out of the Dreghorn scheme. But...

kurtrussellsbeard · 03/03/2021 15:11

@Dinnafashyersel

I see a group of women having their language policed.
Or challenged?

Policed suggests that you wouldn't be able to use such language when of course you can.

StatisticallyChallenged · 03/03/2021 15:11

I'm a bit behind again (bloody meetings!) but jeezo she is the gender neutral monarch of caveating her answers!

Dinnafashyersel · 03/03/2021 15:12

A "conversation" where one side gets to arbitrate on who can say what when about whom?

Graffitiqueen · 03/03/2021 15:12

Ah so any criticism on sturgeon is misogyny. Got it. 🙄