Here come those tiers again.

[Cismyfatarse]

New Fred.

@Cismyfatarse

At the risk of changing the topic I went to B&Q today.

Who knew it could be an afternoon out? We bought little but thoroughly investigated the whole place as a sort of holiday: day trip to the MDF wardrobe section; night out in the bathroom area; quick tour round lights and lampshades.

With that, the Tesco click and collect and a trip to the dentist I feel like I have had a week in Barbados.

I had to go to B&Q today too! I now have a handle on my kitchen door

B&Q is an Aladdin's Cave of joy. It's expensive it's the only thing.

Their whoopsie bit is, very sadly, one of my favourite days out 🙈 maybe when my children are older and my house isn't a shit hole I'll get out properly!

I didn't think B&Q was open to normal shoppers. Poor DH has been bereft. He needed a hook or something the other day and looked so sad that he couldn't have a wee trip to B&Q.

@icanboogieboogiewoogie

I didn't think B&Q was open to normal shoppers. Poor DH has been bereft. He needed a hook or something the other day and looked so sad that he couldn't have a wee trip to B&Q.

Valentines treat tomorrow then?

@Cismyfatarse, you need to check out my thread from earlier today, about being excited to go to tesco

walking to tesco soon and I'm excited to have something to do

I'm rubbish at links so it wont work but if you are needing excitement feel free to join in

Theres a whoopsie bit in b&q

@ssd

Theres a whoopsie bit in b&q

Oh yes. If you haven't bought a whoopsied shower then I can thoroughly recommend 🤣

@latortugafeliz

Can I ask (because I genuinely want to know, and hopefully this doesn't open a can of worms), does anyone know what the legal position of Scotland policing the border with England? What do they intend to do? If someone were driving up and are resident in Scotland are they going to be made to quarantine? And how is the check going to be set up, on the motorway?

I'd like to know this too.

I understood last summer that Scotland couldn't do its own thing with travel corridors, and couldn't insist on stricter quarantine than the rest of the UK (though they did insist on quarantine for travellers returning from different countries, from memory, though not sure if that was enforceable). But now it seems they can enforce quarantine for anyone they like in whatever form they like. As far as I can see, nothing has changed in terms of their powers. So they could have (effectively) stopped all the Scottish holidaymakers travelling to Spain over the summer after all by requiring strict hotel quarantine on return (at least to and from Scottish airports, or more, if what they are suggesting now is legal re requiring scottish travellers from other airports in England to do hotel quarantine in scotland). I understand why they didn't, and it would have been a real blow for the Scottish travel industry over the summer. But it does seem that the argument used over the summer that they didn't have the power wasn't actually true. Or maybe it was true, and they still don't have the power but are doing it anyway.

See to be honest, I dont know who I'm kidding

I cant even wire a plug

@Cismyfatarse

At the risk of changing the topic I went to B&Q today.

Who knew it could be an afternoon out? We bought little but thoroughly investigated the whole place as a sort of holiday: day trip to the MDF wardrobe section; night out in the bathroom area; quick tour round lights and lampshades.

With that, the Tesco click and collect and a trip to the dentist I feel like I have had a week in Barbados.

Wow! All three in one week?! Living the dream!

Catching up so I’m still a few pages back.

Lots of people round here breaking the rules and it’s winding me up more each day. I’m doing a lot of stuff from my kitchen at the minute so unfortunately I see a lot! Worst offenders are:

Neighbour one is in her own so can be bubbled up. But she has relatives at her house 2/3/4 times a day and definitely not all from one household. This has been the case since the first lockdown.

Neighbours 2. Been breaking the rules for months having daughter and family at house constantly for hours at a time. No single parties.
One of this household died a month ago. So fair enough people going in and out which I could understand even if it was against the rules.
But it’s still constant, people staying over, two/three different households inside at one time, family members who iv never seen at the house until now etc
Yes I understand they are grieving and there will be stuff to sort but they are seriously taking the piss with it all.

I used to have a work Teams meeting on a Friday, and then I went to the supermarket. It was so exciting - did my hair and make up for it!

Good news from me, have completed my second vaccine clinic and they've been fab. Such a great sense of teamwork from everyone and all the patients have been lovely, so glad I'm doing them.
Also managed to get my 2nd vaccine tonight (4 weeks early) as a vial had been opened and they didn't want it to be wasted, happy days

@ladylunchalot

Good news from me, have completed my second vaccine clinic and they've been fab. Such a great sense of teamwork from everyone and all the patients have been lovely, so glad I'm doing them. Also managed to get my 2nd vaccine tonight (4 weeks early) as a vial had been opened and they didn't want it to be wasted, happy days

Good to know, glad all going well for you so far.

It was me who suggested that people who test positive are quarantined away from the other members of their household. . If people are afraid to be tested for understandable fear of being removed from their household that is a problem, as a pp pointed out. What's frustrating me is how the number of positive tests seems to have plateaued after coming down, in Scotland. Personally I don't want to live under any more restrictions to reduce the numbers. But the r is estimated to be close to 1. At this rate it's going to take forever to reduce numbers to a level that the NHS can manage. I feel that everyone is suffering horrible restrictions which only have a disproportionately small effect on the numbers. It seems a very untargeted strategy. With a more spready strain, instead of blanket restrictions, supporting people to not spread the virus might be the way to go. In Wuhan infected people were properly isolated from the rest of the household. I wish there were more measures to stop the people who are most likely to spread it from spreading it. More testing of people who come into contact with others on a regular basis. Faster processing of tests. Quicker test and tracing. More support and checks for people who test positive. At the moment we're storing up huge problems and only just keeping the numbers from becoming even more unmanageable. ☹

I wouldn't compare anything to what did or didn't happen in China. I don't think we know the whole story from there. I know of a friends family who were vaccinated in China mid summer, ok they paid for it, and I've read reports on here of Chinese students returning in September saying they'd been vaccinated.

Yes people who think they might have covid might not actually get tested for various reasons, financial or responsibilities.

Another issue could well be the faff factor of postal tests, time to get it to you and time time to return it, not having cars to get to test centres.

The last few people I've heard of with covid their main symptom has been headache. That's not being pushed as a reason to test.

@runningpink. Someone in this house hold died a month ago and you think they are taking the piss with visitors??

I find this comment heartless. When you lose a loved one you need help and support.. No one should grieve alone.

I’m not expecting them to grieve alone. But the constant stream of visitors when there are rules in place. Multiple visitors at one time and it’s every single day from morning till night.

This is how the virus is spreading. I can’t cope with the restrictions any longer.

Like I said I understand they are grieving but there are rules in place. Bubble up with a family member. See people individually not in the large groups they are doing.

I know of other people who have lost a loved one this past year who haven’t gone to support each other due to following the rules. One friend couldn’t go to his own fathers funeral so yes it’s annoying me the daily rule breaking.

If that make me heartless then so be it I’m done with it all

The Tory covid recovery group want all restrictions lifted by May.

That really scares me. Yes I hate the restrictions but lifting ALL restrictions? What about all the under 50s like me? I don't want bloody Covid, thank you even if my age group is deemed less risk of dying from it.

There were stories online about parents of international students and boarding school students asking for quarantine restrictions to exclude them, but if that happens what's the point of quarantine then?

@jabbathebutt this really scares me too. I'm delighted that the vulnerable will have been vaccinated but I don't fancy long covid or to be that 1 in 10,000 or whatever it is. Equally I also want this shit show to be over.

I think, on balance, as soon as the NHS won't be overwhelmed they'll open stuff up and take the hit on the younger folk. Which I'm frightened about but kind of understand. Think I'll need to take some steps to lose weight tbh.

I'm vulnerable, but not vulnerable enough to be in the top priority groups apparently. GP is a bit annoyed with the priority groups as a lot of at risk people are still not covered.

I worry what will happen when students go back en mass to the university where I'll be working. Thinking about last September.

And yes, I need to lose weight too!

I think what Boris needs to do, in terms of a road map, is tell us when everyone else is going to be vaccinated, then work from that.

I can't remember what we were allowed to do last summer! Was it outdoor hospitality only or did we have anything indoors? I do remember we were still working from home though.

I worry about that too. All of us under 50 will get pushed back to work and then of course cases will shoot up.

I know we're only supposed to be protecting the NHS, but I reckon the government's view on this has evolved throughout and they're now of a mind to try to eliminate it as much as possible and so save more lives.

Who knows where it'll end up.

@IncludeWomenInTheSequel I agree with you re the move towards elimination. I think the variants really have them spooked!

So basically I take back my first point re the opening up once the NHS is protected now that I've thought about the variants. Heading for as close to elimination as possible makes sense.

Who knows what they will do though? I've never been right with any of my predictions 🤷🏻‍♀️