Here come those tiers again.

[Cismyfatarse]

New Fred.

I know in our house we haven't mixed at all and I'm sure most if my friends are the same. My kids who are grown up haven't been near any pals. I dont know why it's so bad in Glasgow.

Hello. New to thread.
A lot of people wondering why the numbers are so high despite lockdown for weeks. You just need to look at the numbers of cars on the road. They’re all going somewhere - loads of works vans too. Instagram shows pictures of 20somethings having parties and meeting up in numbers larger than permitted. Where I live just north of Glasgow it’s business as usual with families visiting each other and popping into each other’s houses. We have a high local rate compared to the rest of the local authority. As a shielder with two young kids I despair. I’ve followed the rules from day one and I can’t see us ever getting out of lockdown in Glasgow at this rate. It doesn’t really matter if most people follow the rules, the problem is still those who aren’t and the reasons they aren’t need to be addressed. For some it may be purely ignoring the rules and entitlement but for many its being unable to isolate for 2 weeks, not receiving sufficient support financial or otherwise to isolate, threat of losing their jobs if they don’t go in despite govt rules or having caring responsibilities for elderly or disabled relatives. These problems need addressed before we get zero covid or even low enough to be released from lockdown.

@ssd yes, lots of hospitals plus the massive one at QEUH.

@rookiemere

Realistically new cases are going to have to get a lot lower in Scotland before much happens, regardless of what's being discussed for England. If you look at the Traveling Tabby graph for new infections we're still higher than we ever were during the first lockdown. It's just so hard to understand why we still have these high levels of infections and why it's so localised to a couple of main areas and has been persistently so for weeks if not months. Maybe we should be tweaking vaccination priorities to get more people done in the Glasgow/Lanarkshire area as soon as possible, see if that helps.

I agree with maybe tweaking the vaccine priorities to move down the priority groups faster in the "hot-spot councils" rather than strictly by age across the country. So giving more vaccine to those health boards comparatively and increasing the number of centres/ jabbers? I know that won't hugely affect the number of cases, as those seem to be highest in the younger age groups (25-45), but it may have some impact on hospitalisations, which still seem to be mainly in the 50 plus (including 50/ 60 year old who are still working but not yet anywhere near vaccination). It's not ideal, but it seems to be the only thing that we can reasonably do to target the really high areas.

I don't think people in the west are behaving differently either, and I assume it's linked to poverty/ poor underlying health/ population density/ job types as we've discussed before. But there is a real difference for whatever reason and that's affecting the entire country in terms of restrictions being placed. So some targeting of treatment (but not restrictions!) seems sensible to me.

Alloa seems to have very high numbers, 400+/100k. I'm 5 miles up the road but our numbers are under 3/100k. The numbers seem to track the deprivation map pretty closely as far as I can see

West central Scotland does not have more hospital beds per head of population than elsewhere.
Aberdeen has large hospital complex covering a huge geographical area, Edinburgh has 2 large hospitals serving not just locally but south east Scotland for some specialities.

But there’s more population to have heads of 😃

Yes, that's back to population density theory.
Someone was asking if Glasgow had more hospitals

I think we might see tier 4 for Glasgow and Lanarkshire and LAs around there (like they did before) and tier 3 for other mainland LA and tier 2 for the islands.

Then closer to summer to win the election, we might move down a tier so we can at least eat and drink outside for the summer.

I just wish the journalists at daily briefing would ask these questions! What are the source of these infections?
There's no point asking about holidays. None of us are going anywhere if we can't get transmission and hospital numbers down

I honestly don't know where these people live who see neighbours popping in and out of each other's houses, folk having parties, the lot. I don't know anyone who's breaking rules (in Glasgow) and have never noticed people popping in and out of my neighbours' day or night. The only thing I've really noticed is groups just a little bigger than is permissible in the parks. Maybe I'm just really unobservant.

My mum was cautioning me about catching covid the other day and I just thought 'chance would be a fine thing! I never see anyone to give it to me!'

@alpenguin

Hello. New to thread. A lot of people wondering why the numbers are so high despite lockdown for weeks. You just need to look at the numbers of cars on the road. They’re all going somewhere - loads of works vans too. Instagram shows pictures of 20somethings having parties and meeting up in numbers larger than permitted. Where I live just north of Glasgow it’s business as usual with families visiting each other and popping into each other’s houses. We have a high local rate compared to the rest of the local authority. As a shielder with two young kids I despair. I’ve followed the rules from day one and I can’t see us ever getting out of lockdown in Glasgow at this rate. It doesn’t really matter if most people follow the rules, the problem is still those who aren’t and the reasons they aren’t need to be addressed. For some it may be purely ignoring the rules and entitlement but for many its being unable to isolate for 2 weeks, not receiving sufficient support financial or otherwise to isolate, threat of losing their jobs if they don’t go in despite govt rules or having caring responsibilities for elderly or disabled relatives. These problems need addressed before we get zero covid or even low enough to be released from lockdown.

Tradespeople aren't allowed to work unless it's an emergency - e.g. electricians, plumbers - I've actually heard they can get fined £10K for working - don't know if that's true or not but in England tradespeople can work - I'm guessing there is a mixed message about construction etc.

It's not emergency only. It's essential work only.

Which is quite different; for example my company is installing and replacing boilers, doing smoke alarms, domestic renovations I.e new kitchens and bathrooms.

You can really make 'essential' quite broad if you want to...

Is there a place where you can see hospitals numbers by health board? Tried looking on Scot gov website but didn't find anything

There's a spreadsheet on this page

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-trends-in-daily-data/

@includewomen. My friend lives in Balmerino, right on the river. I would kill for his house!

I had to get bath seal replaced in the week, chunk had come out and couldn't use shower as the water was going straight down. Had one handyman shout down the phone that there was a pandemic, and the next guy came out no problem.

@fluffyugg

Is there a place where you can see hospitals numbers by health board? Tried looking on Scot gov website but didn't find anything

I doubt they'd show that, it's hard enough going into hospital right now without knowing covid is rife in it

I cant even remember teir 4

@fluffyugg

Is there a place where you can see hospitals numbers by health board? Tried looking on Scot gov website but didn't find anything

Travelling tabby gives very detailed figures. Can’t remember if that one is included but worth checking.

@IncludeWomenInTheSequel

It's not emergency only. It's essential work only.

Which is quite different; for example my company is installing and replacing boilers, doing smoke alarms, domestic renovations I.e new kitchens and bathrooms.

You can really make 'essential' quite broad if you want to...

BUT I did hear honest, that some guy got fined £10K for working when he shouldn't have been think it was a joiner? So it's a lot of money if you do get caught. BTW I can't see that anywhere in the SG governments website about this amount of a fine think only for a party of over 15 people so it might be a rumour.

I mean there are definitely risks, and we have a lawyer keep us right, but I've never heard him specifically mention a 10k fine.

Depends what the joiner was doing: essential work is described as being necessary to the maintenance of a building. Which could be anything: window frames, fixing fencing, flooring, shelving, etc. That's why 'essential' is a bit of a joke, and why building sites are being shut down by positive cases.

In some EU countries you need a negative test to get in a site. Here we're sending guys across the counties in shared vans to work on replacing 8x10 bathrooms together.

I did find it on the Scot gov website thanks.

BBC reporting kids going back in Scotland this month may have to do 2m distancing. Its p1-3 going back isn't it, this month, so how the fuck is that going to work?

"You can’t compare new infections to the first lockdown though, as they weren’t testing as much.
Numbers in hospital or cases is a better comparison and on those we are now slightly better than the first peak."

Agree with this.