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Here come those tiers again.

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Cismyfatarse · 12/02/2021 16:30

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IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021 · 17/02/2021 09:26

I think the time for positivity has long since past. Maybe it's because I'm in the central belt but instead of focussing on why our numbers are so high they just impose more and more restrictions. If all of this stuff worked then the cases should have came down.

For the ones that can stay positive I admire your strength but a year of studying at home, not being allowed to work (I wasn't able to open my business in summer due to the guidance on council buildings) having to cancel my wedding and writing an invite list for a funeral I'm out. I have done my bit and waiting 2 weeks for a maybe might tiny wee bit of easing just is not good enough anymore.

We need to buckle up and open. Inform the public and allow our country to make some bloody money again.

icanboogieboogiewoogie · 17/02/2021 09:32

She said yesterday something along the lines of 'other than a very small alteration there will be no change to restrictions' and I think I missed the small alteration. Presumably it wasn't schools. Did anyone pick up up? (Please let it be pubs WinkConfused)

WouldBeGood · 17/02/2021 09:32

Wholeheartedly agree @IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021

It’s lovely, if strange, if people are feeling positive at this time. But one of the most annoying things known to woman is being told to think positive when you’re feeling shit.

fluffyugg · 17/02/2021 09:36

@kurtrussellsbeard yes, I know it's worse to put dates on and then have to disappoint. Just feel really sad about it today for the kids but my positivity will hopefully return soon 🤞

blowinahoolie · 17/02/2021 09:37

Agree with you Kurt. No point disappointing many parents by backtracking on dates for older primary years. Best to see how the youngest get on next week first surely?🤔

ThePricklySheep · 17/02/2021 10:00

@icanboogieboogiewoogie

She said yesterday something along the lines of 'other than a very small alteration there will be no change to restrictions' and I think I missed the small alteration. Presumably it wasn't schools. Did anyone pick up up? (Please let it be pubs WinkConfused)
I didn’t, but I heard her say that. It’ll be upping the number of people we can exercise with or something equally worthless. Grin
ThePricklySheep · 17/02/2021 10:05

I think maybe she just meant the schools. There’s nothing else in here www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-update-first-ministers-statement-16-february-2021/ that I can see with a quick skim and no update to the restrictions documents.

GoldenOmber · 17/02/2021 10:09

I think the ‘very small alteration’ was the nurseries/schools.

Also just beyond feeling positive at the moment, and I’m usually quite a chirpy person. And my DC are going back! I think it’s just the combination of the last weeks of WFH/kids hell plus the relentless tone of doom from the government (maybe holidays in Scotland in summer if we’re really really good!) that’s just making it very difficult to lift my head off the ground any more.

fluffyugg · 17/02/2021 10:19

@GoldenOmber yes the tone is very not positive at the moment! I really felt it after yesterday's update

Lockdownbear · 17/02/2021 10:23

I think many will be thinking she will struggle to justify no summer holidays especially within the UK.

littlbrowndog · 17/02/2021 10:38

I think pubs will open when hell freezes over

May be some time

Lockdownbear · 17/02/2021 10:53

Pubs are up there with Softplay, the root of all evil as far as NS is concerned.

rookiemere · 17/02/2021 11:19

My personal feelings are that British government too slap dash and rushed and SG too painfully ponderous and slow.

Opening schools for all on March 6th is - in my view- too soon, but equally not knowing for sure that my S3 will be back to school after Easter is overly cautious.

Opening hotels and self catering in England at Easter seems optimistic when they're at 10000 new cases a day, but on the flip side telling Scottish people not to even book a Scottish summer holiday seems barmy.

If only we could create a separate country making sensible moderate decisions away from either of the two extremes.

Sootess · 17/02/2021 11:27

@Lockdownbear

Pubs are up there with Softplay, the root of all evil as far as NS is concerned.
🤣🤣
OldRailer · 17/02/2021 11:34

rookie I agree with all your post.

MaxNormal · 17/02/2021 11:38

I don't think that the UK government is being particularly incautious in it's proposed opening speed (or at least the leaks we're now getting about it).

jabbathebutt · 17/02/2021 11:41

I agree @rookiemere

There needs to be a middle ground.

OldRailer · 17/02/2021 11:43

The brightly coloured, sociable environment; the potential for raucous behaviour fuelled by overconsumption of beverages. Then there's the chances of having a set-to over some minor infraction of body space.

It's soft play where the rot sets in.😂

Lockdownbear · 17/02/2021 11:45

@OldRailer

The brightly coloured, sociable environment; the potential for raucous behaviour fuelled by overconsumption of beverages. Then there's the chances of having a set-to over some minor infraction of body space.

It's soft play where the rot sets in.😂

GrinGrin
WouldBeGood · 17/02/2021 11:55

😂😂

NotAnActualSheep · 17/02/2021 12:01

@OldRailer

The brightly coloured, sociable environment; the potential for raucous behaviour fuelled by overconsumption of beverages. Then there's the chances of having a set-to over some minor infraction of body space.

It's soft play where the rot sets in.😂

Ha! Love it! Soft play, the gateway to delinquency.

Speaking of which, John Swinney is at it again with his indefinite blended learning.

StarryEyeSurprise · 17/02/2021 12:11

I agree that no travel in Easter is pretty gutting! Really hoping we get it soon after but I guess it depends on what's happen when more year groups are back in school.

I hope this doesn't offend any Tory voters but I was just reading this article on the times Johnson has had to eat his words during the pandemic. This is why I have to take what he says with a pinch of salt. It's actually missed out him saying 'schools are safe' then ' we're shutting them all' in the same day at the start of the term.

BORIS Johnson is reportedly preparing to drop “stay at home” safety advice in England. The Prime Minister is expected to relax restrictions as early as March 8 as he sets out a “roadmap” out of lockdown. Any changes to Scotland’s restrictions or messaging will be decided by the Scottish Government.The reports in England have prompted concern among some experts and members of the public.

Perhaps that's unsurprising, given several high-profile U-turns in the past 12 months.

Here, we take a look back at few of the instances in which the Prime Minister and his ministers have been forced to eat their words.
Dismissing lockdowns

On February 3 last year, just a few days after the first Covid-19 cases was confirmed in the UK, Johnson railed against any suggestion he would order a lockdown.

He claimed the UK would be “the supercharged champion of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other”.

The Prime Minister added: "There is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage.

"Then, at that moment, humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange."

That stance held for another six weeks. On March 16, Johnson announced the UK would be going into full lockdown in a week’s time.
Shaking hands

The Tory leader’s now infamous boast about shaking coronavirus patient’s hands is among his most high-profile blunders during the pandemic.

On March 3, the Independent Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviours (SPI-B), a subcommittee of the Sage committee, warned people should stop shaking hands to slow the spread of coronavirus.

It said: "There was agreement that Government should advise against greetings such as shaking hands and hugging, given existing evidence about the importance of hand hygiene.

"Promoting a replacement greeting or encouraging others to politely decline a proffered hand-shake may have benefit."

But on the same day, Johnson said during a public broadcast: "I was at a hospital the other night where I think a few there were actually coronavirus patients. And I shook hands with everybody, you'll be pleased to know, and I continue to shake hands."

The Tory leader was later hospitalised with Covid-19 and required treatment in the intensive care unit.
Stay alert

Murmurings that the UK Government is poised to change its coronavirus message may seem familiar.

In May, Johnson changed the Stay at Home slogan to “Stay Alert” – prompting Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to announce they would stick with the original guidance.

The move was widely criticised, with Nicola Sturgeon saying she did not know what “Stay Alert” meant.

She also revealed that the devolved nations were not told about the change before it was unveiled in the Sunday Telegraph.

The UK Government was forced to readopt its “stay at home” message when a new national lockdown was announced in England over the festive period.
Eat Out to Help Out

Westminster’s Eat Out to Help Out scheme was designed to boost the economy after the first UK-wide lockdown, and allowed pubs and restaurants to offer heavily discounted meals on Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays in August.

The initiative was championed by Johnson and Chancellor Rishi Sunak.

However, research published in October by the University of Warwick showed a sharp increase in infection clusters emerged a week after the scheme began.

The study suggested that between 8% and 17% of newly detected infection clusters could be linked to the scheme.

That same month, Johnson admitted that Eat Out to Help Out may have helped spread Covid-19, but insisted the scheme was necessary to protect jobs.

He told Andrew Marr: ”It unquestionably helped to protect many... [of the] two million jobs at least in the hospitality sector. It was very important to keep those jobs going.

“Now, if it, insofar as that scheme may have helped to spread the virus, then obviously we need to counteract that and we need to counteract that with the discipline and the measures that we're proposing."
Get back to work

As well as Eat Out to Help Out, August saw the launch of the Tory government’s get back to work drive.

Workers were urged to stop working from home if they could – despite suggestions in some case that they could be at risk of being sacked if they refused.

The plan was part of efforts to save struggling retailers in town and city centres.

But within a month, Downing Street ministers announced a U-turn.

The National: 'Michael Gove is watching from the wings, waiting for his moment to strike'

Michael Gove declared a “shift of emphasis”, also revealing the target for 80 per cent of civil servants to be in the office had been ditched.
Christmas

In December, it was announced that the four UK nations had agreed that a limited amount of indoor mixing would be permitted over the festive period.

However, the identification of a new highly-transmissible variant left the plans in tatters and forced a U-turn.

It was announced on December 18 that just one day of indoor mixing would be allowed.

Johnson, however, hadn’t done himself any favours just two days before, when he defended his government’s decision to ease restrictions.

He declared it would be “frankly inhuman” to introduce tighter rules.

“I want to be clear we don’t want to, as I say, to ban Christmas, to cancel it,” the PM told a media conference. “And I think that would be frankly inhuman and against the instincts of many people in this country.”

The Tory leader told the Downing Street press conference after the rules had been loosened: “We, of course, bitterly regret the changes that are necessary but, alas, when the facts change, you have to change your approach.”

Positive confirmed cases in the UK hit an all-time high of 81,523 in a single day just after Christmas.

AudacityOfHope · 17/02/2021 12:13

Surely once all adults are vaccinated then spread in schools becomes a bit of a moot point?

Scottishskifun · 17/02/2021 12:13

I feel very lucky to have attended a softplay in England whilst they were open.
Tbh it was all brilliantly managed, had to book a time slot with max 10 children allowed cleaning between the slots and parents mostly sat at the tables having coffee or mask on if helping your stuck child out!

I think the supermarket is worse than that!

OldRailer · 17/02/2021 12:14

Christ alive that's some post starry.😂

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