Does it matter if Sturgeon is guilty - do you know or care?

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Evidence of a conspiracy to frame Alex Salmond has been building. There are compelling reports in the Times, Herald , Sky News and across the internet. But there is less reporting in Scotland and a lot of people seem to not know or care. I'm Scottish but I don't live there. I've been hooked by this as a story of power and corruption. I'm on the fence re independence, just don't know enough so don't have an axe in that debate. I've never been an SNP member. But I do care about justice and that no-one should be above the law, especially politicians when they are seeking to imprison their potential rivals.

After reading this affadavit from Craig Murray which brings it all together and is incendiary I'm pretty convinced there has been a conspiracy and that Sturgeon and her collaborators should face justice. Although the justice department (Crown office) also seem to be mired in this. Here is the affadavit www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/01/my-sworn-evidence-on-the-sturgeon-affair/

I've shown this to a few people and have been shocked that a couple have said, yes it stinks but I like Sturgeon. I'd be interested in the views of Scotsnet. How much do you know about this? Do you care? Is it OK for our politicians to imprison their rivals, like Putin and co do, if you like their other objectives. Has Scotland become a corrupt nation? Is that OK?

Thats not true Miss Barbara. Per capita, England has had 50 per cent more deaths than Scotland .

Well, 47 per cent higher to be exact.

Also re vaccinations, England's decision not to focus on care home residents ( the most at risk of death from covid) has taken its toll. Covid related deaths in them jumped by 46 per cent in the middle of Jan. The highest since May.

Sorry, the English Government

Only by deaths following a positive test @StarryEyeSurprise. We also do a lot less testing. If you consider excess deaths, widely considered the most reliable measure, England's deaths are 15% higher than ours. So still higher but really not that much in it, and pretty astonishing given our stricter lockdowns and sparser population. All areas of the UK have done pretty poorly on deaths.

@StarryEyeSurprise

Sorry, the English Government

No such thing....

Now Joanna cherry has had violence threat by a man

How did we get to here 🤷‍♀️

If covid is suspected at all ( and even if it's not), people are tested before they're moved anywhere. We test less as we have a lot less cases (per capita). Yes, Scotland 's death rate is high but the SG have been working with one hand tied behind their back. I'm not going to go into it again..

Dotoyou No such thing? Who makes the decisions for people living in England then?

I struggle to understand how people can say they don't care if the leader of their country has or is taking part in illegal activities 🤷🏻‍♀️

It's OK for scottish govt to say they are focusing on care homes but they are performing so slowly other groups are missing out. Surely, if they are finding it hard to vaccinate all care home residents in a timely manner they should be running the care home vaccinations concurrently with community vaccination.

And Scotland really hasn't performed much better than the rest of the UK.

Put simply, if we had the same deaths per capita that England has suffered, we'd have another 3,000 poor souls dead.

It's simply not true to say that Scotland's suffered the same death rate. Wales is worse too. NI is the only UK country to have less deaths per pop.

Yes, vaccinations are slower here. They'll need to fix that.

I’m uncomfortable with the party chief exec being married to the party leader. I don’t think that should be allowed.

I’m pro Independence - or was - but think NS has utterly blown the opportunity that Brexit created.

One of the arguments I’ve seen for “why stitch up Salmond” is that he has become openly critical of NS for her lack of progress on Indy. It is, after all, the SNP’s “one job.”

The allegations that the Salmond case was an orchestrated smear horrify me and I would like to see a proper independent investigation. The case has made me rethink my position on whether men accused of rape should be given the same anonymity as their accusers - I was previously against this.

@StarryEyeSurprise There is a whole debate to be had on whether we test less because we have fewer cases, or whether England is detecting more cases because they are testing so much more...it is complex I agree, which is exactly why the deaths within 28 days isn't a reliable measure and excess deaths is better. Incidentally, our numbers jump up sharply between the 28 day figure and the excess figure while England's actually go down a bit, which might indicate we are under-detecting COVID deaths using this measure? Whatever the case, the excess death figure shows we aren't doing that much better at all, despite arguably suffering more from harsher lockdowns.

Wrt vaccination, surely no-one is still buying the 'concentrating on care homes' argument at this point, since England has now completed care homes AND vast sections of the community too, and the gap in coverage continues to widen?

Well it ain't the 'English government', there being no such thing.

I could be wrong but I think the minister said all care homes in England have been offered the vaccine. Not that they've all been given it. It's spin/ play on words .
I don't know how many vaccines we have available for use in Scotland . The Tory BS of ' you can't release how many ' due to security/ commercial interests' then releasing 'the numbers' themselves screams to me that something fishy is going on.
Remember when it was decided the UK Gov would procure the PPE for the 4 nations then changed their mind and re routed PPE destined for Scotland, for England? I'm not saying that's what's happening here but they're up to something. Yes, vaccine roll out should probably be quicker but I don't think we're hearing the full story. Actually, we're definitely not.

@reprehensibleme

Well it ain't the 'English government', there being no such thing.

Ok

Don't you think the SNP would have been screaming from the rooftops if Scotland had been given fewer vaccines? It's their raison d'etre to blame Westminster given the chance. They've just been slower and less well organised.

I thought the UK government had agreed that historical vaccine numbers could be released, just not future numbers as this was commercially sensitive? Isn't it historic/current numbers that have been quoted by UK gov (something like 1 million doses are here or available within 24 hours)?

Surely they have to say 'offered' the vaccine because not everyone will take it, and it would be totally unethical to try and force/coerce them to. It seems to be widely accepted that this means (with one or two exceptions because of local outbreaks) that England's care homes are done.

I honestly don't think there's a great conspiracy going on here, I think the bottleneck is distribution within Scotland which Scot gov seem determined to keep centralised rather than the GP led model England is using. I think it's just that the Scottish government aren't that good at logistics, which we've seen several times now.

The slavish need for another referendum means I'm not surprised this will/ is being downplayed. Until SNP get what they want and fuck over Scotland completely, they won't do anything about NS. Once Scotland is on its knees, they'll stick the boot in them.

I've read a chunk of it just there and honestly I'm not sure. What the guy writes doesn't necessarily mean it's true does it?
It's all speculation and coming to conclusions based on that speculation...

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

Only by deaths following a positive test *@StarryEyeSurprise*. We also do a lot less testing. If you consider excess deaths, widely considered the most reliable measure, England's deaths are 15% higher than ours. So still higher but really not that much in it, and pretty astonishing given our stricter lockdowns and sparser population. All areas of the UK have done pretty poorly on deaths.

Well I've seen statistics which do not bear out what you are saying and Glasgow is a disaster.

@reprehensibleme

Well it ain't the 'English government', there being no such thing.

I suppose there is if one is that well balanced Scots person with a chip on both soldiers there might be , but otherwise it's just nonsense.

Might we say something like, 'the UK government, in respect of its policy for England'?

You could also look at it another way and ask do you know any politician that shouldn’t be in prison; with there corruption and fraudulent ways.