Does it matter if Sturgeon is guilty - do you know or care?

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Evidence of a conspiracy to frame Alex Salmond has been building. There are compelling reports in the Times, Herald , Sky News and across the internet. But there is less reporting in Scotland and a lot of people seem to not know or care. I'm Scottish but I don't live there. I've been hooked by this as a story of power and corruption. I'm on the fence re independence, just don't know enough so don't have an axe in that debate. I've never been an SNP member. But I do care about justice and that no-one should be above the law, especially politicians when they are seeking to imprison their potential rivals.

After reading this affadavit from Craig Murray which brings it all together and is incendiary I'm pretty convinced there has been a conspiracy and that Sturgeon and her collaborators should face justice. Although the justice department (Crown office) also seem to be mired in this. Here is the affadavit www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/01/my-sworn-evidence-on-the-sturgeon-affair/

I've shown this to a few people and have been shocked that a couple have said, yes it stinks but I like Sturgeon. I'd be interested in the views of Scotsnet. How much do you know about this? Do you care? Is it OK for our politicians to imprison their rivals, like Putin and co do, if you like their other objectives. Has Scotland become a corrupt nation? Is that OK?

I find it hard to believe so many women would lie too. Particularly as they must have known the backlash against them would be huge. Also the fact that they are likely to be SNP/Indy supporters knowing it might have a negative impact on support for both.

graf It does not matter what you or I think. Alex Salmond was found innocent of all charges.

It really is entirely unfair to label anyone with such a heinous crime(s) that he has been entirely cleared of, and moreover must have suffered such irreparable damage. I say this as a survivor myself.

Something absolutely stinks at the heart of this. The inquiry, the abuse of power, the lies and deceit. The whole thing is disgusting.

Lets be clear dodgy behaviour is not the same as rape. As we all know.

He look like a broken man to me, and I am not surprised he is fighting back.

Dodgy behaviour is not the same as rape. I never said it was.

Not proven is not the same as not guilty.

I doubt that all women were lying - some combo of

• incident happened but not criminal
• incident happened but exaggerated, possibly with encouragement
• incident happened and did cross the line
• didn't happen at all

seems the most likely imo.

I think it was Craig Murray who said there was a kind of throw as many in the ring as possible in the hope that one sticks idea. However its possible that may have misfired spectacularly and polluted any genuine complaints especially as Salmond's defence very much included "this stinks"

Not proven means precisely that, because to be guilty of anything in a civilised country there needs to be evidence and proof, at least an allure of creditability. There are more holes in the case(s) than a teabag and quite frankly it is an outrageous scandal.

Nicola Sturgeon is no fool, she knew exactly what was going on and she is a sharp player up there with the best of them. Karma is a fucker though, and politics is a murky world. I would most definitely be having sleepless nights if I were her put it that way.

If they meant that he was not guilty they would have returned a not guilty verdict. They don't mean exactly the same.

There is definitely something that Sturgeon is hiding. If they have tried to stitch Salmond up then it is an absolute abhorrent scandal.

There's plenty of coverage in Scotland op, we have access to the publications and channels you mentioned. I think everyone would care of course and she should face prosecution if it's true.

I thought not proven meant more like "seems credible but not enough evidence"

I think it was the "sleepy cuddles" which went not proven wasn't it? Hard to keep track but I think it's that one

no statistically, he admitted to the 'sleepy cuddle' part of that charge

It was the sexual assault with intent to rape which went not proven

The original two verdicts in Scottish Courts were "proven" and "not proven". Guilty/not guilty have crept in over the years.

I cant see a great conspiracy here. Salmond is a known sleazebag but it doesn’t look like his behaviour crossed into criminality. Its the PF not the FM who makes the decision whether to prosecute and I think they made the wrong call here. There are quite a lot of civil servants caught up in this whole prosecution which may be messy when it all comes out but cant be blamed on Nicola. More a legacy from Salmond himself.

Sorry I know he admitted the sleepy cuddles part, but I thought it was the same charge

Sorry I know he admitted the sleepy cuddles part, but I thought it was the same charge
Ah right, I'm not sure..could be. Like you say it's hard to keep track..

I am a great admirer of Sturgeon and wish it were different, but something very rotten has happened at the heart of this. To what degree and whether it’s enough to bring her down (and potentially the party( remains to be seen. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Salmond is considering launching his own party.

I thought this was all something about nothing initially but the lack of transparency and apparent effort to avoid scrutiny looks very suspicious.

On Twitter, Andrew Neil described the Scottish Parliament as full of 'fearties and forelock tuggers.'

Salmond is a sleazeball and unpleasant. But that is not the same as criminal behaviour.

I think Sturgeon will have to resign. And I’m glad as not only can I not stand her but her party has got away with rotten governing for far too long

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow yes that’s it. He’s clearly been an absolute sleaze. Allegations of the same were circling for years. Now I read that Fabiani is a director in a company that just got awarded a £1m contract by the Scottish government. This is beyond parody. I also see that Wightman (?) who yesterday said he followed the legal advice in justifying his vote says he still won’t vote to allow the Salmond testimony....even though there is a legal overruling as “absurd”.
Nationalist, Unionist or undecided, this level of corruption and unaccountability is unacceptable.

Wightman is a total disgrace.

Nationalist, Unionist or undecided, this level of corruption and unaccountability is unacceptable

^ this.

It gets more and more sleazy all round by the day. What a shower.

It must also be a distraction from government too?

stat it is a stitch up

Strong words from Martin Hannan! "The SNP resembles a cult"

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