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[Cismyfatarse]

As requested.

Happy to help with home es queries about English up to AH level.

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I am allowed to name change - I've probably done it twenty times or more, many people have.

I don't have a strong opinion I just have a different opinion to you.

Stats that is a very good point. I think I read the average life expectancy in a nursing home is 18mths. So lots of these people any infection at all would take them out.

It is a worry that the country could end up with lots of younger people with Long covid not sure on the percentage but I know off 3 40 somethings with it.

And also we don't want people not being able to get treatment who could survive it.

@OOAOML

Because not all pupils need equipment? We were surveyed ages ago on what each of ours (secondary school) had access to.

Having access too doesn't mean that they have sole use or could do zoom lessons.

OOAOML are you able to do teams or zoom live lessons to the same timetable kids would if they were in school?

Is that not similar for any infection in a hospice though. So if a person has late stage terminal cancer and caught the flu which led to pneumonia then it would be pneumonia on the death certificate? Yes the cancer made them vulnerable but it was the pneumonia that actually killed them? I'm not 100% on this though and am taking it from an interesting Twitter thread I can no longer find.

Kurt that's exactly the point, the death cert has 3 lines on it so they can list things.

The people who we need to worry about are the people without serious conditions that die. The people who have many years left in them that includes people with asthma and diabetes who could live with those conditions if well managed for years.

Ah got you.

In service day today. I'll admit that I am worried. I'm a planner. I'm not good with not knowing. Hopefully by 9.30, I'll be clearer.

Hope your day goes well @Groovee and that the goal posts don't shift too much over the next month or so.

Back to work today for me too, wish me luck.

Back to work for me. Ironically I've just spent the night in the spare room aka my workplace as DH was snoring. Never sleep that well when due back anyway.

I'm going to try to be more present when at work so less mumsnetting for me during the day. It's a bit of a challenge as I have work teams on my ipad as my crappy work laptop can't support it.

Good luck Groovee at least you know it's all of January although I'd think it's highly unlikely kids will be back before February half term.

Boris has said at least half term, she like to be more cautious than him, unless she goes flag waving our schools are back first.

Is it in person @Groovee or online?

@Bikingbear

Why when there was always a risk of another lockdown was suitable IT equipment not issued every child to enable live teaching?

Why is the argument that teachers can't do online still valid because not all kids could access it? They've had 9mths to sort it.
It really grinds my gears to here the small council areas have issued laptops or ipads but the big councils with probably the most deprevation have done little or nothing.

So don't tell me SG are great.

GCC definitely gave out i pads to parents who requested them due to a lack of devices at home.

Good luck Groovee. We're back tomorrow.

I think the problem with live zooming lessons goes beyond equipment available though. If you have two or three children in a small house who are all supposed to be doing online lessons where do they all sit for peace and quiet? So you need very good internet to support more than one zoom session, a laptop or tablet each, a space to learn for each child just for starters. Then there are kids who need extra help, need to go at a slower pace etc. I can see there are loads of issues. I think downloadable video lessons would probably be easier to do with a online chat function for help? Maybe with a couple of live zoom sessions a week for group discussion which aren’t essential in case people can’t access them.

But then if teachers are teaching vulnerable and key worker children in school when do they have time to prepare videos? In some areas this won’t be an issue I guess but in others classes could be nearly full
I don’t think there is a good answer really and it’s clearly not a one size fits all. I feel so desperately sad for children missing teaching in exam years, pre exam years, transition to high school years etc etc. And sad for teachers and parents and everyone. Just sad altogether 😭

Oh and we are in Fife and we’re asked if children had access to a device. Not if they had their own device just if they had access.
I’m not sure if any were even handed out. Last lockdown we had an iPad each for our two but since then one has been broken. I’m not sure how to work that as they each have to log in to seesaw on different devices I think as there’s no way to have two users on the app at a time

I just don't know how kids are meant to make up so much time. I think they'll be lucky to be back before Easter. How can they make up two full terms ?

Am up after a terrible night's sleep - mostly worrying about pupils, what to adapt to teach online, who will engage, how to deal with exam classes, prelims. Even Radio 4 at 6am which usually sends me to sleep didn't work so here I am.

Literally, tears on my pillow.

How is everyone else?

Sorry to moan.

@kurtrussellsbeard

Is that not similar for any infection in a hospice though. So if a person has late stage terminal cancer and caught the flu which led to pneumonia then it would be pneumonia on the death certificate? Yes the cancer made them vulnerable but it was the pneumonia that actually killed them? I'm not 100% on this though and am taking it from an interesting Twitter thread I can no longer find.

Yes, but the version of the stats that does "did they have a positive covid test in the last 28 days" is wider than that. They could have had asymptomatic covid, only mild symptoms and recovered...

It frustrates me that we seem to be poor at data gathering and analysis. The response about not giving daily vaccination stats due to the administrative burden said it all - that shouldn't be a big deal as doses administered should surely be recorded anyway for stock control (which should be very tight to ensure constant supply in each vaccination centre).

It seems minor maybe but bad data drives bad decisions. Things like false positives seemed poorly understood - this is actually a less significant issue just now when cases are higher and that's visible in hospitals but during the summer it was different. Track and trace still seems to be poor from what I have seen and heard too.

Agree with bikingbear that the people we should be worried about are those who should have been with us for many years yet. A 50 year old with diabetes is very different to a 95 year old with alzheimers - that said they've worked out that going age first with vaccines still gives the best impact on a quality adjusted life years stat, as it seems like even outside of pre existing conditions age is a huge risk factor.

Cismyfatarse it was the night before last that I couldn't sleep. I think knowing what's happening helps not that we really know what's happening.

I just always knew the 18th was pie in the sky. I'll give Nic the credit for saying before Christmas that the kids wouldn't be back rather than the false hope and worry English parents have gone through.

Let's think positive Joe Wicks might sort my beach body!

I'm just waiting to hear how it will work from our schools this time round. For primary school I'd like a bit more structure, a few check in points in the week maybe, to give us a bit of routine. It was the complete lack of routine that did for us last time.
We went for 10 minutes of a maths workbook I randomly picked off Amazon, 10 minutes of reading and one other activity off the ideas sheet from school. That covered the basics of his education but left a whole lot of day still to fill.

My s3 is hoping for some group face to face time but I don't know if it will happen. He's especially keen for subjects like modern studies where he likes a good debate. And I can't debate with him because I have to work and supervise his brothers. I can feel my heart rate rising just thinking about it.

Good luck to all the teachers heading back to work today and tomorrow, I know you'll all be working hard for our kids and we appreciate it.

Good luck to those starting back at work. Ah Tuesday. I've had similar gloomy messages from friends and family south of the border last night - I may start back early as given we are all in lockdown, I can't see a particular benefit for waiting til the 18th now and I'd place no money on schools returning start feb.

@Bikingbear

I just don't know how kids are meant to make up so much time. I think they'll be lucky to be back before Easter. How can they make up two full terms ?

I agree. Some kids won't get this back. For some this length of time not engaging with education will just leave them disinterested in the long term.

And realistically teachers won't have the time to catch people up when they return. Too many kids in a class to properly tailor when the gap between the education kids have received this year will be huge

The dcs' school did a fantastic job in December when we had remote learning due to covid. The dc don't work at all independently but their teachers are fantastic, especially the primary 1 teacher, my dd progressed so much last term.