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As requested.

Happy to help with home es queries about English up to AH level.

I agree that I don't think it's being spread in the main by "rule breakers", and I really dislike the division and blame being created in society by this assumption. In any case, I can't see much difference between what is allowed and what is not, really. So someone could pass the virus to a friend by sitting in her living room having a chat, which is breaking the rules, whereas the same person could pass the virus to the same friend who is vulnerable and struggling and needed the chat as a support visit, which is allowed. Frankly, there's enough allowable exceptions (work, essential shopping, medical appointments, childcare... ) for the virus to spread just nicely entirely through legal routes, and those legal routes really shouldn't, and realistically couldn't, be cut off. OK, yes, big house parties and so on are inadvisable, but they are already illegal, and I can't see what else can be done to discourage them. But small gatherings of 2-4 people indoors or out, I would feel very uneasy about cracking down on even if they are technically not allowed. And even NS has proved she's not infallible when it comes to breaking the rules accidentally.

I don't know what is coming today, really. Probably an extension of the school closures, yes. Probably some "stay at home unless necessary" order put back into law, rather than just guidance. But I don't think that would ban exercise and probably not ban meeting one other household/

Urgh. I feel absolutely flat as a pancake today.

@Bikingbear the MMR thing sounds interesting. I hadn’t seen that. It might help to explain the demographic bring much less affected too. I’ll take a look.

I know anecdotal evidence is not much use but DS (20) had all his MMR and other jabs and had confirmed Covid in November. But very mildly - lost taste and smell and a bit tired. He is asthmatic too so I was worried but he shrugged it off very quickly.

@WaxOnFeckOff, I've just read your post from late last night, I think you'd benefit from getting propranolol from your gp. They arent anti- ds, they are beta blockers that calm you down. They stop the racing heart, Sweaty , panicky feelings you've described. You can take them when it suits you, I was prescribed them for every day but the dr said it's fine to just take them ad hoc when you feel you need them. I sometimes dont take any for ages then have a really anxious day and take 2 and it calms me down. They are totally non addictive so you don't need to worry, also no side effects. I just thought I'd tell you as I know exactly how you've been feeling.

The MMR theory is very interesting. It would certainly explain why children catch it but don't get ill with it.

All of mine have had every vaccination going.

@icanboogieboogiewoogie

What's concerning me is the UK gov's decision to change the vaccination schedule to the 12 weeks before the second dose. I'm really worried it's not going to be effective, numbers of those sick will go back up and we'll have to start the vaccination programme again, on those who survived. I see the logic, but definitely feel they should be going with the vaccine manufacturer's instructions.

I agree they should be following the manufacturers instructions. But also, given the scale of the programme I can see the logic in extending the time between doses, assuming there is no loss in protection from dose 1 by the time dose 2 is given. Otherwise, if the second dose could only "allowably" be given 3 weeks afterwards, then if an appointment (or a vaccine) wasn't available for, say 5 weeks afterwards, the patient would either not be allowed dose 1, or would have to start again with dose 1 given at the second appointment, or not get a second dose at all. All of which seem like a bad idea. I didn't think the 12 weeks was given as a target, but a limit for time between doses, which seems reasonable to me.

Oh here’s a question.

My three year old is due some routine jags. We’ve heard nothing about them. My husband took her for her flu vaccination a few months back and asked about them then and they said they were running a little late with the vaccine schedule but they’d be in touch but so far, nothing.

Should I be chasing this up? Or should I just hold off and wait?

I can see the logic, but the manufacturers saying 'no' concerns me. I've been wondering how the UK (including Scotland) could mess up the vaccinations and here's a possible contender.

@MamaTookMyEyebrows chase it!

@MamaTookMyEyebrows

Oh here’s a question.

My three year old is due some routine jags. We’ve heard nothing about them. My husband took her for her flu vaccination a few months back and asked about them then and they said they were running a little late with the vaccine schedule but they’d be in touch but so far, nothing.

Should I be chasing this up? Or should I just hold off and wait?

Both DDs had vaccinations this year, one in April, one in August. They both got letters a week or so before.

www.facebook.com/648458407/posts/10159244070173408/

Link to doctor from ninewells discussing time between vaccine doses. Apparently 3 months apart means it actually more effective for the Oxford one at least

Super mum here can't remember what jags the kids get when but DS got one during the first lockdown April / May so he would have been 3 and a bit.

So yes I'd chase vaccines up but they might be running late and having less people in the clinics at a time.

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

What blatant misinformation. It's not a seasonal virus. Many many experts have confirmed this. The numbers dropped in the summer because we were post lockdown and the schools were, abs had been for sometime, off.

DH was just saying the Oxford vaccine trial was actually first started in Dundee... doesn't quite have the same ring to it as Oxford I suppose 🤷

Kurtrussell do your research many do believe it will become a seasonal virus.

Seasonal does explain why it was low here in summer yet high in Brazil. NYC was particularly hard hit in the first wave and a very cold place in winter. The 4 coronavirus already in circulation are seasonal. The first wave hit in Aus/NZ summer giving them a better chance to isolate against it.

Sounds likely that it will become a seasonal virus with the emphasis on become. At this point, left unchecked the numbers would be sky high any month of the year with no intervention.

@kurtrussellsbeard I don't know which experts you've been reading, but many predict that once COVID19 is established it will midf likely become a seasonal virus In the summer Chris Whitty was talking about expecting cases to rise in the autumn. I didn't think this was particularly controversial tbh.

@icanboogieboogiewoogie

I can see the logic, but the manufacturers saying 'no' concerns me. I've been wondering how the UK (including Scotland) could mess up the vaccinations and here's a possible contender.

Fair point! The Pfizer statement sounds a bit back- covering (there is no data to suggest it is effective other than given 21 days apart) which is responsible for them to point out. Though that may just be because their trial set up used that schedule to get it done as quickly as possible, rather than they think there is evidence that it is less effective with more widely spaced doses. However, given its a new-ish vaccine type, I think the UK should have stuck to the 21 day schedule for the Pfizer one. And if they have cocked it up, (incidentally with the most vulnerable people), there should rightly be backlash. The oxford one is a more well understood vaccine type, though, with a bit more data on dosing variation and so on from the trials, so if the 12 week regime is used for that one, there may be less risk.

Blowinahoolie I get what your saying. But it could be made and developed in Timbuktu for all I care, as long as it works and gets us out this mess.

Nothing could be worse than it stacked up in cupboards waiting on a recruitment process for vaccinators.

@goodname

www.facebook.com/648458407/posts/10159244070173408/ Link to doctor from ninewells discussing time between vaccine doses. Apparently 3 months apart means it actually more effective for the Oxford one at least

Interesting! Thanks!

God i would love it if it was called the Dundee Vaccine

@blowinahoolie

DH was just saying the Oxford vaccine trial was actually first started in Dundee... doesn't quite have the same ring to it as Oxford I suppose 🤷

did they mix the vaccine in with some buckfast?

Nah. Marmalade.