Tracks of my tiers

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Morning all.

We already do have stricter than T4 - schools and childcare are shut. But they might go further...

• only leave house for work, to buy food or to exercise maybe with forms required as in many European countries
• tight drawing of essential retail
• shutting down more workplaces like construction
• limiting public transport
• tighter travel restrictions
• booze ban
• no meeting even outdoors

All possible, although I hope not

@RaraRachael

Can we have stricter rules than tier 4? God knows what that would consist of - filling out a form in triplicate to leave the house

I think they are highly likely to impose greater travel restrictions similar to March.

For some LA authorities like Highlands, Aberdeenshire etc the area is massive which is great in some ways but I can travel for nearly 2 hours and still be within the allowable restrictions. So I think they will clamp down on this aspect as they already hinted at it with stay local wording last week.

I really hope not. I can’t take anymore.

Finding it even more frustrating that we are living under stricter rules yet again when half of England are still living pretty freely when that’s where the issue is rather than in Scotland at the moment.

My worries are that she will do the following...
She could limit travel more I guess like lockdown 1 where travel was only for essential. Basically not leaving your town/village at all rather than being able to move around within the council area like we can currently do.

Masks anytime we leave house.

And my biggest worry that she will stop is meeting another household outdoors.

Just checked the TV guide and it says Coronavirus update 12.15-13.00 tomorrow.

I'm hoping they won't restrict outside meeting for exercise given their own adverts note it for keeping mental health wellbeing!

I don’t think they will stop us going outdoors to exercise but I do worry that they won’t allow us to meet anyone else to do said exercise with.

Also worried she’ll revert to exercise from home only - we’ve been trying to fit in all the not from the door walks. Not least because the decent walks from the door involve a huge stretch of ice

Yes. I loathe outdoors and the exercise round home thing is shite as it means even dog walks are a nightmare as everyone is out. And I am too fat and disgusting to go start C25K again when everyone is around to witness it!!

They might introduce a few things. I'd be keen to know on what basis though as we've only been in this new level for 48 hours or whatever.

@StatisticallyChallenged

The SNP stance is a bit like trying to reason with a stroppy 5 year old. You know, like when they wanted McDonald's for tea but that's not happening because it's closed, and now they won't accept any of the other options they're offered from the available food and just keep shouting for McDonald's.

Ha! Yes, it's exactly this! Can't get their preferred option which isn't available, so will kick and scream and end up with nothing rather than the offered alternative.

It may not be the best deal available, and it may not be as good as what we had through EU membership, but it's a whole heap better than "no deal" which is what they are voting for instead. Crazy logic. It's not "principled" - it's not voting in the interests of their constituents at all (including the 38% who DID vote for brexit who always get conveniently forgotten) who will really suffer with the "no deal" option they are supporting. The only principled option is to hold their nose and vote for the deal even if they hate it, and I just can't understand why they don't recognise that. Even abstention is wrong IMO, as it implies there is no difference between the deal and not having the deal, which is frankly not true. Abstention can be useful if there is a chance to modify and improve the offered policy to one a party could potentially support, but in this case there isn't going to be another option put on the table. It is a straight vote between "this" or "nothing".

I do think a lot of it is not wanting to be seen to vote with the "toarrrries" in favour of the offered deal, which is a bit childish too.

I'm trying not to think about any further restrictions... I really hope we don't go back to the No Sitting On A Bench Or Talking To Anyone Else During Exercise stage of March. That was grim. I think the 5 miles was always advisory and not written into the law (it was in Wales, but not here) but I do wonder if that may be advised again. I have no idea how it would be enforced though, given the council boundary thing seems unenforceable enough.

When it comes to snp voting in WM, a lot appears to go with rhetoric rather than logic.

Curfew?

I just wish they’d stop banging on about another referendum now. This is a terrible time and people need some peace to settle after it. In my view

I agree. Also that it would be nice to hear some policies for their next 4 years (sought) in government that don't involve an implicit assumption that we will become independent, when the sun will always shine and we'll have an inexhaustible supply of money and goodwill from others.

Seeing how quickly rates have increased in many places down South and in Wigtownshire, which has gone from 64 to 142 from Boxing day to yesterday ( in former level 1 Dumfries and Galloway ), this lockdown with schools off for longer makes sense. It's shite, but needed.

Masks at all times for all pupils, if that hasn't been done already and maybe increased fines for traveling out of area.

I was leaning towards independence for a while there, having voted no last time, but I wouldn't now. I just don't know how I could cope with yet more uncertainty. And how we would pay our share of the covid debt. The very thought of that.

I really hope they keep letting us meet outdoors. If they take that away I will really struggle. And so will the kids.

Do you think they have a focus group or something somewhere of ordinary people and they ask them what they could and couldn't cope with? I can think of one person who would maybe support a full March style lockdown but only one. Everyone else I know really values being able to meet someone outdoors (how did we get to this point but that's a whole other thread). So if they do ask the opinions of ordinary people I have no Idea who in hell they're asking because it sure isn't anyone like me

@Perihelion I just don’t agree that more lockdown is the answer. It just doesn’t work. It’s a pipe dream

@Rae36 yes, it’s more uncertainty, after the referendum and brexit and covid, that I could do without.

I too would like some policies on other things. Not just Tories bad. Red Tories bad. England bad.

FYI- The NI Gov have said they'll do the same as the SNP and vote against the hard Brexit due to the negative impact it'll have on their economy (I'm not sure of Welsh Labour's actions but guess they'll fall in line with their boss). You realise its not just no deal or a hard Brexit that were the two options?

WouldBeGood Here you go- plenty of policies to have a read of. ;)

www.snp.org/policies/

[quote WouldBeGood]@Perihelion I just don’t agree that more lockdown is the answer. It just doesn’t work. It’s a pipe dream[/quote]
Lock downs work as a short way to then get stuff implemented like further quicker testing, mass testing etc but unfortunately we seem to be using lock downs as a hope to slightly control without then putting in future elements properly to then prevent further lock downs so its ending up in a circle

Will St Nicola of Sturgeon ban us from meeting outside? I have fire pit plans with soup and blankets over the next few days and it is keeping me going.

Teens are off to panic buy vodka in case their NY is ruined by her. One is at Uni nearby and is reuniting with flatmates and taking her brother along. Both have had it and are old enough to deal with any consequences.

Am feeling a bit grim right now. I love being in school with pupils - it is just the best thing. We are already delayed for ages and now it all seems so very shit.

Are the rumours true? Any inside info?

I think they'll ban looking out the window or is that in level 5?

And, apart from the obvious i.e. endorsing your own thing as if you have nothing to do with it, it's just fucking sinister.

“SNP College provides the knowledge and skills needed by every one of us to persuade others of the benefits of an independent Scotland”

Nicola Sturgeon
Party Leader

Why do we need persuaded? surely the "benefits" should be obvious, or maybe at most need "pointed out" but no, we need persuaded . If it's that good, no-one should need persuaded.

Maybe we should just judge by their successes? NS herself told us that we should judge her on education - that went well.

@Outsidemum1 I’d like them to talk about the policies and answer questions on them. Parties write all sorts of stuff.

Will be interesting to see the positive cases for each area as think that gets made available tomorrow for first time since Xmas eve.

Also I wonder if there will be a back log to the data/results over the last few days (normal is over a weekend and with the extra holiday days it’s highly likely) which will then have an impact and make the numbers worse later in the week if you know what I mean.

I won’t be home during the update tomorrow, can’t decide if that’s a good or bad thing.

Right at the beginning Boris said they could only lockdown once and needed to get the timing right. People would and could only tolerate it for so long.
People pretty much complied with the first lockdown.

But West Central Scotland has been involved in increasingly stricter lockdowns since September. Patience is wearing increasingly thin.

The travel bans are ridiculous and unpoliceable.
People live on one side of Glasgow and travel to the other for work and to provide support bubbles but aren't allowed to do the same to got to a park or take part in outdoor sport. It bonkers.