Tiers Of A Clown

[Bytheloch]

Thread #3456

Released from our dirty T4, but still bamboozled. Let’s keep each other sane on here...

[quote WouldBeGood]@WaxOnFeckOff feeling better?[/quote]
It would appear so, I need to take my last dose of the day around 11 so will feel shit after that but it seems to be wearing off at least a little before I need to take the next one so I have a period of feeling ok which I haven't had for the last 2 days

Fingers crossed @WaxOnFeckOff

I have a team video conference Christmas event tomorrow, we've to dress up in our Christmas jumpers and have drinks and nibbles. Unfortunately I have no christmas jumper and it doesn't fall in the window of time where I am allowed to eat (even if i actually feel like eating) so I'm thinking of having a wash and covering up the dark circles under my eyes with a bit of make up and powder and that can be their treat. :o

I had to avoid talking at today's meeting so I didn't appear on the "big" screen rather than just a thumbnail at the bottom.

Christ that sounds awful 😂

I'm just repeating myself but it appears that no one read my earlier comment as PHS's approach is exactly what you've mentioned.

The ' war on drugs' strategy with a focus on criminality doesn't work and the SG/ PHS strategy is to view substance abuse as a Public Health issue - looking at root causes, putting support in place, early intervention of young people who are at risk of substance misuse etc. (The same strategies as were employed very successfully in reducing violent crime. )

However, the SG asked the UK Gov to grant them the powers to implement evidence based approaches such as supervised drug consumption facilities ( which I've seen first hand in Canada and Portugal). Despite cross party agreement to declare a drugs emergency and implement tactics such as these, the UKGov will not allow this to happen. So, here we are- the continuing criminality of drug users which does not work.

Also, I'm ignoring the ' the SG has a problem with people from England' comment as there's no evidence of that from my experience.

@WouldBeGood

Christ that sounds awful 😂

there will be a quiz...

I don't even want to do this type of stuff with people I like and love.

@NotAnActualSheep

Sorry, I totally missed a page of thread... Yes it does sound so hard torvean. There doesn't seem to be much consideration at all given to people who live by themselves with friends and family in another country! Hope you get a good break.

Logic has definitely gone out of the window with the levels now. So frustrating... And yes, if health boards are being lumped together in terms of tiers, why not base travel restrictions on those same health boards.

I'd forgotten about the dog and cat thing!! Yes, people are a doddle compared to keeping a cat away from someone that needs a good sit on.

Especially when said cat is a 2 stone maine coon :)

The absence of hope is definitely becoming a problem I think. This has gone from restrictions for "a few weeks" at the start to "hopefully this time next year" - there seems to be a real lack of optimism, or perhaps a reluctance to ease up on control? We do have a vaccine and it is being administered. It will take a while, but it's coming - so why are the indications that restrictions, tiers, levels, headcounts, distancing, masks etc need to go on and on. This is not Ebola, or smallbox, or even Sars 1 - the most at risk will be vaccinated relatively quickly at which point we will be dealing with a virus with a pretty low death rate amongst the at risk population.

@WaxOnFeckOff a quiz... dear god

@Liverpool9 yes, I know about the consumption thing. Though to be fair those laws are the same uk wide.

But public health surely requires a holistic approach? Education, health, hope, trying to alleviate poverty and it’s consequences.

And why did NS and co leave Parliament rather than answer questions?

My 'works' Christmas do was a zoom murder mystery. I'd take a quiz any day.

SNP now been in power for 13 years. It would be good to see how well we are doing after their ministrations over this time.

At the beginning we had a quiz every week. The person organising this one is lovely but rarely scored more than 5 out of 40. I'm not expecting it to be too hard but he might try to get some revenge

And why did NS and co leave Parliament rather than answer questions?

her and pete had tickets for the safari park so she had to shoot off and make sure to catch the lions shagging before it got dark.

Yes WouldBeGood - a holistic approach is 100 per cent needed! I've been in this country 15 years now and much of my work has been around Glasgow. So much progress has been made, it's like a different city!

I have no idea about what happened in Parliament as I don't watch it.

Waxon I would almost welcome a zoom quiz as long as it's not taken too seriously.

Yip the initial lockdown was meant to be a few weeks, but this has effectively been going from September 4 months, that's actually longer than the first lockdown.

Liverpool9

Not convinced supervised consumption of the upper will prevent the death from the downer (Benzos). Not opposed to Safe Consumption initiatives. However they are very much a sticking plaster approach to a ruptured artery.

@Liverpool9 I’d love to debate this stuff, but it’s difficult if people just adopt positions without listening to the full debate and keeping up with what’s going on with government.

This is not about party politics, or Nats v yoons. It’s about Government and responsibility

This is not about party politics, or Nats v yoons. It’s about Government and responsibility

I really hate the way politics - or should I say discussion of politics - has become so ridiculously polarised at the moment . There was a poster earlier in the thread who popped in to call us all haters. But that just sums up the way things are just now, you either support a party or you don't, no nuance allowed. If you disapprove of X that means you must approve of what Y is doing instead. It's so bloody infantile.

Yep the novelty of zoom this that and the next thing has well and truly worn off.

I know very little about the drugs stuff, but I did remember that the sticking point seems to be that SG wants to decriminalise possession and drug use, but that's controlled by WM legislation. There's a bit more about it here from last year www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50036173

But that’s not the whole issue @polarisation.

See my posts above. Plus this laws are the same UK wide. And Scotland has many more deaths.

I do agree @StatisticallyChallenged.

It’s very frustrating. I have no party allegiance but feel it’s ok to criticise and question politicians of all hues, particularly when they are the government.

I believe government should be accountable.

@Dinnafashyersel

Yep the novelty of zoom this that and the next thing has well and truly worn off.

WE don't even have zoom, we have some crap system that has one person in the middle of the screen (not even full screen) when they are talking then about 5 mini pictures below and then you need to scroll along if there are more people than that - which there are. Some of the team don't have cameras so they just dial in, some of the folk with cameras don't have anything to pick up sound so they dial in as well as have a camera. When you speak, your picture goes to the middle. Except you don't see that when it's you, as on your own screen your camera picture is in the corner of the bigger one. When anyone who has dialled in speaks, you get a blank screen regardless of whether they are also on camera...it's fab.

Liverpool9 I have been in and around Glasgow off and on for most of the last 50 years. It was in a good place in 2014 for the Commonwealth Games and heading back to the vibe of Glasgow's Miles Better and the Garden Festival. It has gone backwards massively in the last 6 years and the doubling drug deaths reflect this.

I joked earlier about not trading Buchanan Street for Princes Street but I actually find it pretty gut wrenching to venture to either because they are so hollowed out and run down. If Cities don't look after their high profile public "shop windows" it doesn't bode well for the rest.

@Dinnafashyersel I must be a similar age to you and remember 'Glasgow's Miles Better' etc. I've been away for over 25 years and didn't notice the gradual decline until I let my teenage sons loose in Glasgow and they would come home shocked at the number of drug users they'd see in the city centre. At first I told them to stop exaggerating but then I gradually saw what they meant. It's so sad to see things getting worse when Glasgow seemed to be improving for such a long time.