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[rookiemere]

This is an ongoing thread for Scottish mumsnetters - or indeed non Scottish mumsnetters such as myself, to comment on ongoing covid matters pertinent to ourselves, in a hopefully not too partisan and friendly fashion.

[quote rookiemere]I don't get why people can't use tourist accommodation for Christmas in Tier 3 &4

Why do we have to wait with bated breath for the daily dictact for some stuff, other stuff leaked and some just announced in the press. From my pov it's all unpopular so I struggle to see why the difference in strategy. It will be deliberate, I just can't see the wood for the trees.

Given the average family will be 4, it's really a way of reducing the 3 household allowance to 2.

I also wonder about the effects on young people of the decisions we are displaying to follow the rules by the letter and also the decision to not follow.

Could be seen as positive and negative, the decision to disobey when you don't agree.

Sheep your cracking me up, OMG I can't breathe, between swabs, spoons and gravy boat.🤣🤣🤣

Bullshit are private tests less reliable than NHS. They are probably all made in the same factory -in Wuhan-.

I guess 3 households allows a family of 4 to host both Grandparents.

But how the heck to you police it?
You might notice folk in a terrace or semi having an extra few folk. Who the heck is going to notice in a close or a multi?

Moreover @Bikingbear who is going to care.

The SNP are enforcing the very type of politics that apparently want to get rid of.

As I said, they want neighbours reporting each other so they know who gets to wear the street warden badge...

@NotAnActualSheep Private testing does seem to be throwing up more false positives than NHS. I know of a number of offshore workers who have tested positive on leaving a rig or similar but have been negative on a retest, and I wonder if similar is happening with footballers - a number of teams have reported positive tests which have then been reported negative.

There are more false positives when you test people with no symptoms.

NHS tests will be testing a higher proportion of people with symptoms than private tests.

@WaxOnFeckOff

There are more false positives when you test people with no symptoms.

NHS tests will be testing a higher proportion of people with symptoms than private tests.

True.

The tests are being used for a purpose for which they weren't designed. They are meant to show the presence of sars covid 2. In people who have covid 19 symptoms, this can help with diagnosis.

It's a bit like people being hiv positive but not having aids. If someone who presents with symptoms of aids and they test hiv positive then they probably have aids.

@WaxOnFeckOff

Why do we have to wait with bated breath for the daily dictact for some stuff, other stuff leaked and some just announced in the press. From my pov it's all unpopular so I struggle to see why the difference in strategy. It will be deliberate, I just can't see the wood for the trees.

Agree! It's a mystery. I think this time the SG have just published the guidance on the website, so it is fair game to be reported on... but it is a weird mixture of formal announcement, media leak, "the BBC has been told..." and something just popping up on the website.

On the guidance, apparently if you live in a shared household (but aren't a student) , you're "strongly advised" against splitting that household into separate bubbles, and if you do you should self isolate from your housemates for a week before and after. That's quite a big ask on lodgers and others house-sharing, surely. I'm a bit uneasy with how easy it is becoming to pick certain members of the community and say "ah, but different rules apply to you" in the name of public health.

Also...how is it that government guidance can contain wording like this...?
The virus won’t take Christmas off. If we provide it with opportunities to spread from household to household, it is likely to take them.
No, the virus won't "take opportunities". It's not a thinking being which decides to jump on you when you let down your guard. It's a fat- encased blob of genetic material (I think... my knowledge of virology is not extensive) that passes between people through tiny blobs of spit (yum). Anthropomorphising it isn't helpful... Just because someone you spend time with may have the virus up their nose, doesn't mean it will jump out into your nose because it senses it is there...

There was no way on earth the Fm had signed up to the same thing as Boris. It was always going to have a little Scottish twist. As long as she’s stopped short of making tartan masks mandatory outside on a Christmas Day walk, I don’t really care what she says anymore.
I’m going to bring the 2m cracker to market, use the money I make from that to prebook my removal van out of here if they manage to get an inde referendum date in the diary.

Yes, I've commented before on the talking about a virus as if it has a brain and thoughts and feelings. You'll either catch it or you won't.

[quote icanboogieboogiewoogie]@NotAnActualSheep Private testing does seem to be throwing up more false positives than NHS. I know of a number of offshore workers who have tested positive on leaving a rig or similar but have been negative on a retest, and I wonder if similar is happening with footballers - a number of teams have reported positive tests which have then been reported negative. [/quote]
Yes, but as waxon says, I think this is because private tests are for those without symptoms. I don't think there are "more" false positives... Just you wouldn't bother retesting a symptomatic person if they tested positive (even if the symptoms weren't actually covid) whereas someone feeling fine and dandy may well want to be tested again to make sure. And as they/ their company are paying, they can arrange that. I think PCR tests (NHS and private) do generate a certain number of false positives even if used in an entirely uninfected population. The ONS population survey counters for that by testing each sample 3 times to distinguish false positive from truly asymptomatic.

Wonder how this will get 'tartanised'

Santa (so not Father Christmas) will dump your present of duster, hand sanitiser and personal gravy boat by the door and take a photo to evidnce he's left it there. less presents for everyone as he can only have 6 reindeer.

With a footnote promoting independence of course..

Oh man!
Thankyou for giving me a good laugh. I haven't laughed so much in ages big hugs to you xx

Yep, it's really gratifying to see so many articulate, funny and thoughtful people of any political flavour.

If you need a laugh there is a thread on chat called crackers you've heard on mn, it's worth a read if you haven't already.

That's a brilliant recommendation @titsbumfannythelot, I'm only about 10 posts in and already greetin' that much I can't see my lunch...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4089211-crackers-you-ve-read-on-mn

I was already cracking up reading all the comments on 2m crackers, Santa and gravy boats last night. Fare cheered me up. I was holding my wheesht cos I would have been a right downer.

Just wanted to let you all know the Financial Times, no less, has finally worked out that Scotland is performing no better than England in the the Covid stakes - what I've been pointing out since about May.

www.ft.com/content/cadc1f6c-14f7-40a9-a68a-f1409fd25997?segmentId=bf7fa2fd-67ee-cdfa-8261-b2a3edbdf916

Boris' roolz are equally as barmy as Nicola's. Neither seem to be making any difference. Guess it's up to us all to make a judgement. However I do know of families of 6/8 where absolutely the whole house got infected - no amount of gravy boat quarantining works. The Christmas bauble rules don't make much difference either for most of the families I know, once you factor in arrangements for living alone elderly parents, single parents and blended families they are all above 8 and spend most of their time actively trying to social distance.

On that note my student daughter is staying where she is in Halls. I checked and so are enough of her friends to make it a good social setting. Lots of her Hall mates have already gone home for the rest of the Uni year. This makes it much less cramped in Halls and easier to manage the roolz. She does have access to the library etc and has in person tutorials as well. (just to give the other perspective to pp).

The teens may well be spreading bugs. However the most recent example I know was from illicit kissing up the golf course rather than sitting in class - closing schools could make this worse.

That's it. I'm making a 2m cracker