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The union facts have materially changed - the economic case for leaving the UK is much, much worse now, if you think it's the same you should research that a bit more.

I'm not defending any decision to disenfranchise any group, and for my money Boris is looking distinctly one term at the minute, as is Trump.

Switchname, really? If they're not happy paying £120 a month more on a 50k salary ( for example) which is more than balanced out by free prescriptions, education, personal care, roads... I could go on), they would have left already, no? I'm just under the bracket myself but knowing that most people in Scotland pay less than the rest of the UK, it wouldn't bother me if I move up into it. I know the money's being spent well and a high tax/ high standard of living (Norway , Denmark etc) is where I'd like the country to be ( post indy) so I'm happy with it and can't say I've ever met a higher tax payer who left because they didn't want to pay it.

I'm sorry if you've ever received anti- English abuse. My hubs English and people don't bat an eyelid from our experience. I've actually had more abuse when we lived in London but that's by the by. I'm not saying yours didn't happen BTW.

Yes. My partner's English and he says yes too. WM government is unbearable and when we get independence we can vote for the government of our choice.

Irrespective of people’s political opinion, we are a democracy and are allowed to express this through the ballot boxes. To remove groups from the democratic process irrespective of age is a very dangerous precedent and whether we are independent or not, not a country I would ever like to stay in.

And consider this, who makes these decisions and once they start with old people who’s to say it won’t be, say troublesome women or those who don’t vote for the correct party.

I hate that people experience anti-English comments. It’s it right, and it’s not how we all feel. I had thought it had changed in the new century. I’m heartsore that it’s on the rise.

The cybernats, the blue face brigade - loathe having to be somehow associated with them. Same for the anti-English. It isn’t who the Yes supporters I know are. No doubt someone will immediately tell me I’m wrang but there it is.

It isn’t right. Apple has fucked autocorrect.

In my own, admittedly limited to my own family's experience, anti-English comments aren't on the rise at all. Anti Conservative government and anti-Brexit and anti-Boris aren't the same thing at all.

I hate the anti English sentiment I read about on here. I've never seen it here myself but living in England 30 odd years ago I experienced anti Scottish abuse.
I guess arseholes just live everywhere.
I voted yes in the referendum and most of my friends voted no. There was no disagreements or fights like I've read about on here too. And I didn't stand at the border with placards, what a bunch of diddies.

Me too ssd. Only had measured discussions during the last referendum, it was a really inspiring time. Most of my family and friends voted No and there was no bad feeling. It’s a difficult thing to get our heads around either way and the maturity people approached it with really impressed me.

I never got any anti-Scottish comments when living in England, just gentle ribbing.

Some of the Yessers are rabid, ugly characters. We have our share of them unfortunately. I don’t want to vote the same way as that sort of person. It is one of the things that give me pause. Then I think of my gorgeous friends from all over, who’ve moved here and love it and love us. I hope to god those other arseholes are a minority.

I was a hesitant yes in 2014 but I'm a hearty YES now, as are my husband and two grown children.

Watching the results of the Dec GE come convinced me that England and Scotland most definitely need to part ways. I can't imagine a situation where I would ever have voted to 'get brexit done' or given my vote to anyone as obviously so grossly unsuitable for the role as Johnson.

I acknowledge that it won't be easy, but I don't think it will be easy if stick with the UK either. If life is going to harder it should come with some light at the end of the tunnel, a light which isn't available for the UK. I'm happy to use the Euro eventually, I accept that a hard border between England and Scotland may become necessary but I would hope that England makes some sort of deal with its neighbours so that it won't be required.

It's time to dissolve the union.

I'm in England and can see why you'd want to leave. So I support you!

I had my first anti-english tirade at the weekend

She sounded very english as well though, so not sure what was going on there.

I think I'm for. If 'for' turns out to be a vision of a nordic style high tax/high welfare state that rejoins the EU.

I'm too disgusted for words by the WM vote on FSM today, and just think Scotland has the potential to be a better place.

@nibdedibble
Maybe there are some unsavoury yessers, like anything there’s good and bad but I have to say the hatred from Unionists is something I’ve never seen anywhere else, utter vile blind hatred.

[quote SBTLove]@nibdedibble
Maybe there are some unsavoury yessers, like anything there’s good and bad but I have to say the hatred from Unionists is something I’ve never seen anywhere else, utter vile blind hatred.[/quote]
This is so true. They are not human. I can’t even, as the young ones say.

It's not just nasty, it's positively condescending. I wondered how long it would take someone to say 'Wee nippy', it didn't take long.

What I don't understand is, if we are held in such low regard, why does England want to keep hold of us?!?!

That’s the question I ask Unionists and they can never answer other than ‘cos we’re a union’ 🤪
If we are such a drain, destined to fail why not let us go, eh?
WM make too much ££ from us that’s why.

Yip. George Square nazi - saluting neanderthals singing Rule Britannia is the abhorrent face of unionism. Did feel terrified there the night after the last referendum.

Sad they were back this summer. Racist thugs. Disgusting and shameful.

• I've just been teaching black history month and sad some sections of society act like this in Scotland.

English and I'd vote for you to be independent if I could.

Its absolutely the wrong time to even consider this.

We are in the middle of a global pandemic and in the midst of trying to detach ourselves from europe

Everyone I know is worried on some level about one or both of these.

We need to get over this pandemic, settle the country after brexit and then think about it .

settle the country after brexit

Now is exactly the right time for before Scotland becomes embroiled in whatever the ultra-right wing factions of WM have in store for the UK.

We plan to make our choice and disengage as soon as possible from the rUK's direction. There is nothing to be gained from waiting and much to lose.

@frasersmummy
Settle? that could be a long time with the disaster in WM.
Think of wee Fraser 😉

That's not right from an economic perspective though, waiting until oil prices and the world economy recovers from covid and brexit would clearly be a better time to face a new macro shock and do all the borrowing needed to setup an independent Scotland than now.

I hate the illogical argument that because the economic situation is bad we may as well make it worse, and it isn't going to take just a bit more tax and a bit more borrowing to take Scotland independent, sympathetic as I am to the idea of a nordic state we're more likely to get Greece.

So heartened to see everyone commenting with positive pro Indy comments! Youse are all wee stars 🌟

( and that's a plural Scots form before anyone gets snobby)

I'd love to let things settle in fact I would have said that very thing 25 years ago.
But I have learned. They never will.