Nicola Sturgeon

[Malachite234]

Hospitality restrictions extended today and a 5 tier system?

Why not just have the same as England? Why is she insisting on harsher lockdowns then blaming Westminster for no funding.

Edinburgh and Glasgow will be like ghost towns soon. I’m sure more than 50% of bars and restaurants won’t re-open.

Are you all following the restrictions ( question for the central belters) ?

Anyone suggesting closing schools is mad! Education is a basic right of children. This is not the plague you know.

@Artykitty666

And how much longer will the hospitality sector hang on? Already we’ve lost a few gems ( Henderson’s). How will businesses pay their rent with no income ?

And when all these lovely little independent restaurants in Stockbridge and the like shut down what’s the high street going to look like ?

What’s Ashton lane going to look like when Brel and the ubiquitous chip close down ?

People might be still out and about popping into shops and cafes, but other businesses can not survive.

But grumplass - 1700 cases out of a population of 6 million or whatever IS TINY.

Someone travelling from central scotland (where 99.8% of people don't have covid) to another part of the UK (where a similar proportion of people don't have covid) to self-contained accommodation isn't putting anyone at risk. That's just ridiculous, where is the "risk"?

The two most overused words of 2020 are "risk" and "safe". People have lost the ability to assess either.

The "riskiest" bit of our trip to Northumberland was most definitely the Sheriffhall roundabout and numpty drivers.

@Pootle40

Anyone suggesting closing schools is mad! Education is a basic right of children. This is not the plague you know.

The noisiest advocates of closing schools are usually people who are not working, or are on furlough, and who have primary school age children.

People who are going out to work, or trying to work full time at home, and who have older children heading for exams know what a disaster closing schools was in March and have no desire to go back there.

@RaspberryCoulis YOU were the risk to them

You really don't understand how exponential growth works do you.

And where are all these childminders and nursery places magically going to appear from to accommodate all these extra children that would
Normally be at school? There are hardly any in my rural area and I don’t have family who can help so guess I’ll just have to give up my job in community nursing then, yep that’s the answer.

Just to add there have been no cases in either the primary my DC attend or the secondary since they went back in August, so closing all schools is not the answer

I am well aware of exponential growth. Who isn't.

But I assess my own risk. I work at home. So does DH. We dint use public transport. We aren't going to house parties or other social gatherings. My lifestyle is low risk.

Problem is, according to Ms Sturgeon, my "risk" is exactly the same as the woman over the road who is a nurse, travels to work every day on the bus and regularly goes out to cafes, the church, and the cinema.

Total bollocks.

@AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii schools and nursery are going to be the absolutely final thing to close I think. Certainly schools for children below S4. Unless they're forced to close by staff absence. Childminders were open before schools in July and if we go back to closures we will be in a lockdown again with key worker provision.
The new tiers will probably align with the routemap from the summer which is why 5 tiers makes sense as tier 5 will basically be lockdown.

Yes, I use tableau and I have looked at the figures. I'd rather not risk it. DH can't work from home and has been down to London twice in the last month. The DCs are all at school. I'm in remission from breast cancer and have diabetes so I'd rather not get covid.

@RaspberryCoulis
twitter.com/travellingtabby/status/1318917614635241474?s=21
According to this we are on a 15-day trajectory so in a month could be reporting 8000 cases and 120 deaths per day.
Hopefully if everyone manages to follow the restrictions this will then drop off.

Your risk is exactly the same as your neighbour BUT you are able to choose to mitigate it by staying in and she is not as she is exposed by virtue of her job.
Going to cafes is probably a lifeline for her, and what you are doing is really following the restrictions.... I don't really see your problem to be honest.
And no you still shouldn't have gone to Northumberland although I'm pretty sure you if had a holiday booked that was ok but it definitely isn't a good idea in terms of getting the virus under control.

And if you drill down to my very small part (pop 4000) of my very small local authority, it's still over 100.

@Malachite234
You do know you can have a thread on Scotland without it solely being an attack on NS,she’s not making this up on her own,she’s has ministers too.
Do you not grasp what devolved means, Scotgov does NOT have to follow England, NS has actually requested severely
meetings with WM and been turned down, it’s WM who are reluctant to work with the devolved nations but don’t let that stop your claptrap unionist views.
WM have been slow to react throughout this pandemic and are not something anyone would use as an example.

@AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii

And where are all these childminders and nursery places magically going to appear from to accommodate all these extra children that would Normally be at school? There are hardly any in my rural area and I don’t have family who can help so guess I’ll just have to give up my job in community nursing then, yep that’s the answer.

Just to add there have been no cases in either the primary my DC attend or the secondary since they went back in August, so closing all schools is not the answer

That’s fine. I think we should close schools in higher tiers.

You are a community nurse and that’s great and for people like you provisions should be made like it was in March.

In higher tier areas I think at least High School and universities should be closed.

And yes I agree, many teenagers might disobey the rules and meet their friends, but that is still a hell of a lot less interactions than they would be having at high school or university.

If there no travel ban people will travel and I would/have too
Will follow the law but not made up 'rules'
Having different levels of tiers north and south of the border makes no sense

Hospitality industry being hung out to dry

And the people who make these decisions get paid regardless

@SBTLove

Why do Nationalists feel the need to be so aggressive? Why are they so angry?

But this thread is to have a conversation about how Scotland’s First Minister is doing ? That’s why the title is Nicola Sturgeon -because I want to talk about what she is doing and why and why I disagree and what others think. If you don’t want to read about that then just hide the thread.

@user1487194234

And the people who make these decisions get paid regardless

Similarly all the people in the media who are screaming and fear mongering.

And no you still shouldn't have gone to Northumberland although I'm pretty sure you if had a holiday booked that was ok but it definitely isn't a good idea in terms of getting the virus under control.

Here we go with the made up ROOLZ. What other people should or ought to do is a value judgement. Keep your beak out. People are legally obliged to do the things which are enforced by law like wearing a mask in the supermarket.

The rest of it is none of anyone's business.

Totally agree that it's all people who are sitting smugly on their public sector salaries making these decisions which will affect thousands. They don't need to worry about paying the mortgage, their salary is paid regardless.

We cannot go through this endless cycle of opening and closing forever. Covid is going nowhere. People will die from it just as people die from TB, flu, malaria, whatever else. It's a risk and we just need to get on with it.

@Malachite234 we have had this thread before and lots of people said they thought she was great.
They are doing it again and being accused of being nationalists.
Do you only want to hear from people who hate Nicola and want to break all "her" rules?

The problem is this makes a toxic venn diagram of anti maskers, herd immunity proponents, people who are too naice to get COVID and political opponents of the SNP.
On the last thread when positivity was asked for posters were told it was an open forum not just for supporters.

Mm @RaspberryCoulis those public sector workers sitting at home organising your bin collection, test and trace, support for elderly and vulnerable, rearranging budgets to cope with restrictions and demands, allocating assessments to frail elderly and children with ASN.

Didn't you say you were WFH?

I’ve not been aggressive, I just don’t agree with your open hatred, now that is nasty.
It must be hard for you and your ilk being in a very small minority, when 60% + support our government and have no desire to bow to WM.

I am working at home. But that doesn't mean I can't have empathy for people whose jobs have been wrecked through this.

The whole thing is an utter fiasco. We were told we were shutting down to protect the NHS. And despite numbers being incredibly low over summer, Sturgeon kept us locked down. She promised an "adult conversation" and is talking to us like children. She seemed to think she had the superpower to eradicate a virus and then when she realised that was a pipe dream, it turned to saying that it was all about suppressing, and that means the same as eliminating anyway She u-turned over the "blended learning" proposals and lied about that too, saying that it was only ever a contingency. She presided over the exams fuck up.

And now she's farting about with her own sooper-dooper 5 alert nonsense.

I've seen no evidence to suggest transmission is driven by schools - high schools or otherwise.

Do you just want to write off this generation then? Doesn't matter if they don't get a decent education because people don't care?

@dementedpixie

And the cases in Scotland over the last 7 days also show its not schools that are the issue

I'm in the NE and schools here have just started the 2nd week of hols. My grandchildren in Stirling the same. So these graphs are not representative of the true spread within school age children as many schools are closed right now.

Maybe you’re being spoke to like a child because you’re behaving like one! I can nearly see your stompy foot and petted lip!
The numbers will only go down if ppl adhere to them, not off on jaunts, going to other houses, constantly socialising, that is the responsibility of the general public.
But let’s all look to the Mighty Boris, couldn’t find his own fat arse!