Nicola Sturgeon

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Hospitality restrictions extended today and a 5 tier system?

Why not just have the same as England? Why is she insisting on harsher lockdowns then blaming Westminster for no funding.

Edinburgh and Glasgow will be like ghost towns soon. I’m sure more than 50% of bars and restaurants won’t re-open.

Are you all following the restrictions ( question for the central belters) ?

For the minority? I think the whole Central belt under restrictions is hardly a minority!
Why should we follow England? they are a proven disaster.
Nicola Sturgeon is admired across the world for her leadership but no let’s be little sheep trotting after the disaster that is WM.
Get a huge grip of yourself OP.

I’m central belt and happily following restrictions. I think it’s pretty much confirmed that reacting too late and not soft results in worse outcomes (more cases/deaths and longer for things being shut).
I’m broadly happy with what she’s down except that I think she should have imposed restrictions on Glasgow sooner.
Should say my background/field of work is in epidemiology/public health.

*too late and soft

Why not just have the same as England?

Isn't that obvious? The entire ethos of her party is that Scotland is different, special. Not anything like those people south of the border. We need our own app, own rules, own track and trace, own tier system, own everything. And independence too, obvs.

She can do what she likes. I've stopped listening to her. Lost ALL credibility, the last shred went down to London on the train with Covid Maggie.

I'm an adult, I'll assess my own risk.

@RaspberryCoulis
Is it maybe because we have a devolved government and do not need to follow England?? Think you missed the point.

With regard to closing schools it’s naive to say that teenagers can fend for themselves and that view underestimates how important secondary school is to children's futures. Yes, they can be left to their own devices but nothing replaces the school experience

And I completely agree with this. I have a S1, S4 and S6. My S6 had his Highers cancelled and went through the summer shitshow of the results fiasco. He's now trying to apply to Uni. My S4 has had their Nat 5's cancelled. The "blended learning" we were offered was non-existent, no work was marked, no feedback, obviously no practical.

Yes they can "fend for themselves" in terms of not needing adult supervision, but for subjects like Advanced Higher Chemistry, Biology they need to be in school with facilities and people who know the subject matter! And that's before you recognise that not every child has their own smartphone or laptop, or even a table/desk to work at.

We've had a couple of Covid cases in S5/6. Children told to isolate, which they do. No drama. No "massive risk" or "huge spread". And the two cases who have had Covid probably brought it in from elsewhere given that it is just a couple of cases rather than who friendship groups.

[quote SBTLove]@RaspberryCoulis
Is it maybe because we have a devolved government and do not need to follow England?? Think you missed the point.[/quote]
I'm well aware of that. But when you are relying on people to consistently follow messages, you need to keep it simple. We've been hearing about tiers in England for a couple of weeks. The simple, easy solution would be to extend the system. We are already familiar with the concept. Anyone coming to Scotland from England would be familiar with the concept.

But oh no. We need a system of 5 virus alert levels. Why?

Again we do not need to follow England anymore than we would follow France!!
Tbf it’s time we had a travel ban and stopped ppl travelling up here.
I couldn’t care what England are doing, they’re irrelevant and hardly a shining example to follow.

Looking at new cases in Scotland today and it does not suggest at all that schools are driving transmission

The rise in cases are probably from the twats who keep going to each other’s houses and think restrictions don’t apply to them, along with the folk all crowded together at pavement cafes. Let’s face it half the population seem to be completely selfish fuckwits.

I just don’t understand why she immediately shut down Aberdeen earlier in the year for a very, very small number of cases compared to the numbers currently being seen in Glasgow. Yet she took weeks to order tighter restrictions there.

Covid is a political football and the UK is completely divided into the the lockdown fanatics, the people who think there more harms coming from lockdowns (or tier 3 or whatever Nicola decides) than posed by Covid, and the ones who just want to carry on pre-pandemic. The Governments have brought in more and more contradictory restrictions, which no one now understands, and don't make sense to them individually, so they don't comply.

About time an honest conversation with the public about what is now acceptable in terms of risk / deaths / outcomes. with no scaremongering

And the cases in Scotland over the last 7 days also show its not schools that are the issue

@SBTLove

Again we do not need to follow England anymore than we would follow France!! Tbf it’s time we had a travel ban and stopped ppl travelling up here. I couldn’t care what England are doing, they’re irrelevant and hardly a shining example to follow.

FFS.

We are attached to England. We're all part of the same fucking island. Of COURSE there should be a consistent system between all 4 parts of the UK.

And it's lovely that you dismiss as "irrelevant" the country where many people travel to every day for work, or where people's families live, or where employers are based.

Admit it, you were one of the numpties at Berwick with the sign telling the "English" to fuck off back home, weren't you?

I'm central edinburgh as we speak. I can confirm it's not even close to being a ghost town.

@SBTLove I tend to agree with you, I think most transmission is happening in people’s homes. The very area that is the hardest to control because it’s literally ‘behind closed doors.’ I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve had colleagues and friends tell me about what they did at the weekend and they recount at least once incident of “going round to so and so’s” for drinks/dinner/a play date etc. People don’t even bother acknowledging when they’re doing something that’s against the rules anymore.

But how many kids get tested and are asymptomatic? I guess it’s hard to know

@RaspberryCoulis
Let me see, no I wasn’t, honestly you’re such a condescending arse aren’t you.
I think your wish for a cosy together blah blah IS irrelevant as other evolved nations don’t trot at WMs back.
Maybe it’s time for a temp travel ban to get numbers down esp as you really should have the sense not to be off visiting family in other areas.

We're in 'South Lanarkshire' but have more in common with Dumfries than East Kilbride. I always follow the rules but it breaks my heart to see our local pubs shut down

Yup, the only reason anyone EVER would want to leave Scotland is to see relatives.

Nobody crosses the border for work, to go to school, to attend hospital appointments, care for relatives, do their shopping, or any other of a thousand reasons. Shutting the border is ridiculous and although she'd probably love the gesture, Sturgeon doesn't have the power.

What happened to treating us like adults? She's carrying on like a teacher lecturing a class of naughty children. Naughty children who are particularly hard of thinking and unable to look at numbers and interpret risk.

I’m in central Scotland and following the rules. NS is damned if she does or doesn’t and she’s doing a bloody good job in difficult circumstances. She is not purposefully doing things differently from that shit show at Westminster, she is just trying to deal with the situation as well as she can. No one is having a great time of it just now!

I'm in central Scotland, in a high covid area, and yes, we're following the rules.
Hugely fed up, but following them completely. We should be in Northumberland this week but obviously aren't.
I think it's really disingenuous to say that teens can look after themselves. DS1 is S2, and evening if he didn't have ADHD, it's a lot to ask that he get on with online work while his dad and I are working.

Your choice not to go to Northumberland - we were there last week and had a lovely time - but it's not "obviously". There's no travel ban.

Also have you looked at the figures to see what the story actually is locally?

public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

Click on cases by neighbourhood, then select your local authority region from the drop down list and zoom in for local detail. It just shows that discussing the "central belt" as one massive zone is very unhelpful. Even in the scary "red" looking areas, like Glasgow city, numbers are tiny as a percentage. 268 people per 100,000 having covid means that 0.268% of people have covid. 99.73% of people do not have covid.

@RaspberryCoulis and @SBTLove

Actually yes - I think France, Poland and all the other countries should all be following the system..... but that’s not practical especially as we are exiting the Union with EU. However.... we are still in the British Union and there are no hard borders between the 4 countries. So I don’t see why NS couldn’t work together with BJ ( and the other leaders) to get a system which would apply to the whole of the United Kingdom.

RN it’s just confusing. Sky news darts back and forth between all 4 nations and most of the people they interview have no idea of the new rules in their area. Data is also stronger if it’s in numbers, so how can they actually track where transmission is coming from if everyone is doing different things?

Scrap that ..... I do know why she doesn’t want to work with the other leaders ... because she is a separatist and that is higher on her agenda.

Over1,700 cases today 73 in ITU and 28 deaths all fine nothing to see here tiny proportions etc. Just do as you please yada yada and have a wee trip out of your high risk area so those poor souls in Northumberland can be put at risk. Who would blame Nicola Sturgeon if she just said that's it I give up dealing with this endless stream of stupid. As it is she's out there every day trying to achieve some sort of consensus between health advice and business with her hands tied by Westminster.
To all the posters who say they think she makes it political, actually no that's you