What COVID restrictions are heading our way?

[Happylittlethoughts]

Nivola not best pleased today, and rightly do . Any ideas on what the,restrictions will be? I know schools are being warned at LA level to prep for blended learning .
A 2 week limitation?

Past caring if I sound bitter- we’re in an area with absolutely no cases, nobody at our local schools who’s been off ill and caused the rest of the class to be off for 14 days. Mask wearing. Distancing. Sticking to bubbles. Elderly being supported locally. Businesses just about back on their feet again. I really hope any scotGov announcement takes in regional variations and it’s not just a pan-Scotland application of any new rules. No politician was elected on the basis of how they could handle a pandemic- it’s ok for people to question if they really know what they’re doing. If more input from the public was allowed, it might actually help to find sensible solutions.

Input from the public. That's a laugh. The government should ignore advice from a public health professional to listen to Janet, angry office manager from Kinross. Aye okay.

Yes, actually. Top U.K. cancer specialists have written to government (including NS) to express their concern over the neglect in cancer services and referrals etc. 1 in 2 people get cancer, not covid. So, yes, they need to be listening to how this is impacting lives, livelihoods, mental health and general wellbeing. The gatekeepers stop journalists asking questions, even MPs are limited to how much they can question, so what chance have we got in being listened to😡 So, Janet the angry office manager’s viewpoint is actually valid and should be heard. As should any other citizen who wants to speak up against this, last time I looked we still live in a free country...just.

Yes. Cancer specialists should be writing about the impact of cancer treatment. Of course. That's hardly the same as a bunch of angry know nothings bleating on about how 'it's only a virus' they kids need normality'.

So... this leaked from Glasgow Education today 😢 I'm going to lose my Oct Break arent I?

@Bytheloch are you talking to me? I never said anyone wasn't normal. I think you're getting your posters mixed up. I did say you lot were bitter though.

@Happylittlethoughts why would you not get your break?

Well it's a bit of stretch between government employed professionals and auntie Janet. There are a whole lot of scientists and health professionals who completely disagree with the approach taken so far and have valuable professional input which people need to be aware off rather than just sucking up what some folk with a vested political interest say.

You don't need to believe anyone, you can go do your own research or read and listen to what all sorts of people say.

Lots of professionals get things very wrong and to be fair a lot of early decisions were stabs in the dark or based on the data from 6 flights over a couple of days from wuhan where 6 people from 650ish tested positive and they extrapolated that to predict infection levels and death scenarios across the world and they, funnily enough, turned out to be absolute gobshite.

So, you'll excuse me if I choose to look in more than one place for information....

Even more frustratingly, the government seem to be continuing down the same strategy rather than admit that they might have got things wrong or that they might have learned anything in the 6 months that we've under restrictions for.

I've started looking into the data on hydroxychloroquine but going down that route might mean that they'd have to admit that maybe trump got something right?

Anyway, as I've said many times. my day to day life is not significantly impacted as I don't have any "risky" behaviours, am working from home etc. But I'll be pretty fucked off if I can't get away for my non risky, single family, self catering, countryside walking short break to an area and from an area with really low levels of "positive" tests.

Because the restrictions will take place across half term breaks .. i meant I was not getting my going away break(unclear sorry)... not if we are limited travel etc

Well if @Happylittlethoughts screen is what happens then it's still better than blended learning. I guess they'll change our half term to 2 weeks.
Does anyone have any idea what rules taking other kids to/from school and activities falls into? Is this banned in local lockdown areas? Do schools enforce it?

@WaxOnFeckOff where are you getting your research from?

Internet research is not proper research and it's insulting to suggest it is.

Like your chemical engineer with his finger in every pie? Why would I listen to an attention seeking chemical engineer about a global medical pandemic?

I am the first to admit that I don't have the capability to PROPERLY research the conflicting data out there in any sophisticated or eloquent way and I don't believe that many on this thread do either. What we have here is a bunch of angry folk who believe that the government have overreacted and that this virus isn't actually that dangerous. 'Research' is found to back up this claim. Watching YouTube videos isn't research.

I'm going to stick with the CMOs of all four nations who are all pretty much in agreement and who all are actual scientists. 🙄

She has to go. Where is the debate on these restrictions? Hardly anyone is dying of covid but they are dying of cancer and mental health problems and heart attacks. What the actual fuck is this moronic woman thinking?

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

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Jesus wept.

sonic, in case you haven't noticed, the only place people can currently get any info is either from the tv or the internet. Where are you suggesting we go?

Just because you don't rate the guys interpretation, it doesn't mean that any of his stats, all taken from other scientists etc are wrong. We can all look at those and decide for ourselves. I'd rather listen to a range of people than folk employed by people we all agree that we mostly don't respect.

Lots of folk are actual scientists. There was a thread on here about the poor maths being employed on the testing but a scientist with many years experience who was calling a lot of piles of bullshit on the figures being quoted. I linked to it on one of these threads.

Started out with folk asking what experience she had to be able to give this info. Of which she confirmed she had more than enough.

Not all scientists agree - You can crack on and suck it all up and believe who want to believe but that doesn't make it any more true than what the leading Swedish scientist was saying who I'd rather believe.

Maybe Indonesia had the right idea where they forced Covid (insert word here) to bury the dead.

sonic, in case you haven't noticed, the only place people can currently get any info is either from the tv or the internet. Where are you suggesting we go?

Wrong. Ordinary people like us maybe get all our information from the tv or internet. People working in scientific and medical research have access to proper data through their places of employment and universities. They don't just google shit. 🙄

That's why I'm only interested in what they have to say. Not someone with a search bar and an agenda.

For Fuck sake Sonic, what are you on?

Is it not okay for people to believe different science to you? is yours the only science that's allowed? I'm sick of the stuck up superior attitude that no one else other than you can possibly be right and the rest of us are just too stupid to understand and must just be getting info from randomers.

I'm done - you win.

Why can't there be proper debate with all sections of society?

Why can't we talk about the Swedish approach and if it would work here? I hear the Swedish population is 'more public spirited' - what is this based on, where is the evidence for this statement.

Are the experts actually experts or are they just making it up as they go along - i still don't see lots of science being published alongside why certain decisions are being made. And I'm not sure a lot of the experts or people I see on tv are actually experts in dealing with a pandemic -. Just look up some of the biographies of the main players

Jason Leitch's biography is here
www.gov.scot/about/how-government-is-run/directorates/healthcare-quality-and-improvement/jason-leitch/
Linda Bauld's here www.ed.ac.uk/profile/linda-bauld

I could go on

And that message was typed before your last one. I am looking at the graphs produced by scientists, not that it's of any interest to you.

As i say, you believe what you want but it's not the only reality.

Drs and scientists get stuff wrong all the time. What about the imperial modelling?

And I'm off this thread now too

You've missed my point entirely.

I don't have 'a science' whatever you mean by that. I'm a teacher. I put my faith in the relevant people because they are properly trained over years and years to analyse data correctly and understand it in the complex context we find ourselves in.

A fucking vet has extensive medical knowledge but they wouldn't be my first choice to perform an appendectomy on my child.

I'm allowed to think it's fucking ridiculous that people who have no training or professional knowledge whatsoever are running around doing internet 'research' and spouting bullshit about here and on social media; you're allowed to keep on doing it.

Re the coming across as superior and know it all... pot and kettle springs to mind. 🙄

Yeah Sonic what are you on? I mean look, Jason Leitch only has a Masters in Public Health from Harvard University. 😂😂😂

Ah a teacher then, well I must know my place and you've started off once again putting the blame on someone else. Must be my fault....

I have respect for many teachers and think that they are trying to cope with many different things, but they are just people and I always have to laugh when someone I know says that the problem with teachers is that they never left school...

Anyway, I said I was done and I am, feel free to slag me off as I am definitely not coming back to discuss anything more with you.