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When are we going back to school 2

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RaraRachael · 15/07/2020 20:46

New thread as the last one was getting full. Feel free to discuss, moan, speculate on anything to do with Scottish schools and what may/not be happening.

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mondaywine · 27/07/2020 19:12

Thank you all as it’s helped me today to also hear again that they are a minority. They are so vocal and so vile in some of their comments that it does make me feel anxious, not about returning to do my job but about what I may face from parents. I am not naive. I know that not everyone had a positive lockdown experience. However I worked harder than I have at any point in the last 22 years to get it as right as I could for the children in my class. I was often talking online late at night to parents as that was when they could message etc. All the time I was also aware that my own child wasn’t having a great learning experience as I was working, just like every other parent was and juggling all the parts of our lives. I know the parents in my class were happy. They’ve let me know that. However to do the very best you can and to read your profession slated daily by groups like this is pretty soul destroying.

Onebabyandamadcat · 27/07/2020 19:37

I agree @mondaywine. I worked so hard during lockdown for my pupils and so did every one of my colleagues - speaking to parents at all hours, I made YouTube videos to help enhance learning, we dropped off printed packs for kids that didn't have reliable internet, gave out near all our IT equipment to those that didn't have it, my dht was even helping repair some of the kids bikes.

To hear that you're lazy and entitled when you've worked so hard and given so much at the expense of your own family when all you're doing is asking for the same consideration as every other person out working is just soul destroying. There's always space for scapegoats and it would appear we're it.

Callisto1 · 27/07/2020 22:19

I've not seen the Usforthem Facebook page, but from what I read here it does not seem representative of what I think as a parent or indeed any of the other parents I speak to. No one blames the teachers, there is no teacher bashing going on at all. There is a lot of uncertainty about what will happen and a general dread of more home learning! No one I spoke to so far has enjoyed teaching their early primary kids.

chrislilleyswig · 27/07/2020 22:39

That usforthem FB page is alarming

I see someone local to me banging her particular drum. New audience for her

Some sensible posts from people but the majority are very unreasonable

WaterWishWash · 28/07/2020 00:02

Oh that’s so sad that teachers are upset and dreading returning for fear of what they face from parents. I thought the ones at my dc schools did a brilliant job and can only imagine how much extra work trying to shift to online teaching was. We got work set everyday but always told just do what we could. Stories from teachera via video then ms teams eventually too. Could easily email teacher or message for extra assistance. Was it normal schooling? No of course not but it was a blinking good effort in circumstances. I wouldn’t pay much attention to that Facebook group if I was you! There are always outspoken parents just don’t let them get to you and remember majority are very supportive. That’s why I hate class whatsapp groups and the link. I’ve avoided except one year when it was difficult to leave and it was insanity.

The only people I feel slightly peeves at are the govt. For last minute approach and lack of funding in my view. Perhaps I’m being harsh but I really think we need more info our council won’t provide any details eg staggered drop off, to wear uniform, take bags, etc until govt announcement. Which I think is fair enough of council as they can’t release guidance if they haven’t received any from govt! I also agree - why is no money being used for things like sinks outside (even temp ones are easy to knock up), proper outside spaces, etc etc. One of my children’s schools is tiny for number of children. They already stagger lunches and breaks as Playground is too dangerous otherwise. I have no idea how they’ll manage and the council seem to refuse to help turn the muddy field on the school grounds into a decent playground even with need for more space being even more urgent now. I do think all the money being plowed into furlough, bonuses for companies returning staff, endless signs and tv adverts. Why has no one given any more thought to our children and our teachers too? I’m sure this 850 teacher announcement was actually only that the money already earmarked for education from the corna dh sa was going to be halved with halve used for new teachers and TA. I hope we get one. Our school have had their TA drastically cut past few years so any boost would only be returning to levels form a few years ago. Not particularly giving any extra assistance.

One thing I’ll say though is that actually do get why a parent on that site would query the lunch situation. I have to provide an ice pack for my dc as it sits in a really hot classroom for hours until lunch. Surely it’s a h&s issue in itself if they are just stuffed into bags with no cooling in roasting classrooms? Same with water. That shouldn’t be limited. If it is I want to be aware so I can send a spare bottle with my child. Somedays they need extra fluids. It was be hot when they return after summer and If outside more they really need fluids or get heachachy.

But those are minor really. I certainly wouldn’t be complaining or emailing the school about. I would hope they’d be in the new guidance when issued. I wouldn’t contact school though or moan in a parent group.

I’d prefer my young primary aged children didn’t wear a mask all day. They would loose all confidence in speaking out. One has only just started to wear on rare occasions and the other is getting use to him for a few minutes at a time. They wouldn’t and couldn’t keep them in all day I don’t think. I don’t think it’s good for their social skills or emotional health either. Teachers ... again I’d prefer they didn’t wear masks even with normal primary aged child interaction. But that’s not my choice so if they need or want to wear one then i certainly wouldn’t complain. I’m just not sure how effective they’d be able to teach with a mask on - even things like phonics don’t the children benefit from seeing that facial expression?

Agree also that when most (inc govt I’d say!) are discussing returning to school it’s from a primary perspective. One teacher, one class, same room, no mixing, low risk, extra hand washing, Outdoor lessons, low risk low risk low risk. I can only assume secondary is vastly different. Children mixing form different subjects, rooms moves, they can’t really do much outdoor lessons, low risk but not primary school aged low...totally different kettle of fish isn’t it.

MintChocAddict · 28/07/2020 00:39

Most parents are far more tolerant and understanding of the position of teachers than that facebook group membership would suggest.
Some of the posts on there are becoming increasingly ridiculous. Think they might shoot themselves in the foot with their mass calls to action and encouragement to spam email elected representatives.
Will see what Thursday brings.

CaptainMerica · 28/07/2020 11:14

Wow, I joined that FB group just to be nosey, and then immediately left in horror. If they get what they want on Thursday they are going to be gutted that they have nothing to moan about.

I'm still on the fence a bit - hoping for full time, but worried about potential closures down the line. Preparing mentally (and with stationary) for blended learning to kick in over winter. I'm keeping as much flexibility as possible work wise just in case.

But cautiously optimistic that numbers will stay low, and the school will do a great job.

britINscotland · 28/07/2020 13:01

Swinney still saying schools returning with mitigating measures but its still not clear what these mitigating measures will be and if it will be up to individual schools and/or LAs to decide? I guess we will hear more tomorrow.

Interesting that he is saying this at the same time Boris down south is saying Europe is seeing the start of a second wave.

AAT65 · 28/07/2020 13:41

britINscotland Not even tomorrow. Announcement to Scottish Parliament and publication of guidance not happening until Thursday. Having read the scientific advice issued a couple of weeks ago likely to be little more than wash your hands, open the windows and keep 2 m between adults or between adults and children where possible.

britINscotland · 28/07/2020 15:50

I did get the sense today that a lot of it is being left up to individual councils/schools eg whether or not to offer some extra holidays during the year.

So there could be inconsistencies. If eg Stirling offered extra october week holidays but Glasgow doesn't. I'm sure parents and teachers will love that.

chrislilleyswig · 28/07/2020 16:03

Schools will get the same number of holidays though. Councils don't take them at the same time at the moment so we already have some children in and some off

RaraRachael · 28/07/2020 16:06

Our council has already had a vote and the majority chose to have the "extra" week by finishing a week earlier next summer. Surely the areas that were due to go back on the 11th anyway won't have that option as they already got their 6 weeks Confused

If it's safe for primary pupils to go back wthout distancing, then there won't be the need for community facilities to be used, which would be a logistical nightmare in terms of resources and transportation - not to mention extra staff. There seems to be a surplus of teachers in some areas, but that certainly isn't the case where I am.

Thinking of outdoor learning - a complete joke - yesterday it poured with rain the whole day and today it's almost hurricane conditions.
I can think of nothing more miserable than being stuck outdoors with a group of small children in horrible weather - and we have no outdoor space to speak of or access to woods etc

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mondaywine · 28/07/2020 16:07

I’m very confused by this holiday issue. I teach in a council who are returning early. Back in late June we already knew that those days would be paid back in the coming session (1 day at Xmas and the rest in June 2021). If your council isn’t coming back early this year you won’t be due extra days so this doesn’t apply. I’m not sure why this has been stirred up today.

mondaywine · 28/07/2020 16:11

As part of our nursery hours expansion we have a group undertaking outdoor learning at all times. They just get on with it tbh. As an infant teacher I’m outside a lot anyway. Expect to do it a bit more in the coming session. Personally I think our upper school classes could do with being outside a bit more.

Lidlfix · 28/07/2020 17:17

Correction Brit - I teach in Stirling and I not getting an "extra October week" I am having the week I lost by returning on the 10th replaced. That's what we voted for when options were put out to us.

I didn't ask for a change to my terms and conditions. What other LAs put to out staff is none of my business.

In Stirling there isn't a September weekend or November inservice anymore. So working from 10th if August to 23rd December with one week off was a terrifying prospect. Pupils would have been even more knackered than us especially wee ones and new S1s .

RaraRachael · 28/07/2020 18:05

Mondaywine it was absolutely torrential rain all day yesterday and today we've got dangerously high winds.
Would your nursery kids have been outside in those conditions?

I didn't take a job to teach outdoors- quite honestly I can think of nothing worse but, hey it's the latest trend which will probably die a death in a couple of years like all the other fads

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BananaTreeBirdie · 28/07/2020 18:11

So working from 10th if August to 23rd December with one week off was a terrifying prospect.

I wish this would get more attention. It's far, far too long. In normal years we'd be on our knees by Christmas. What on earth will we all be like this year?

We get the Sept weekend, 1 inset and the October week, but it's still a hugely long term. A 2 week national break would have been so much better. You get much more of a rest with a 2 week break than a long weekend imo.

Selfishly I'm also worried about having to spend Christmas apart from my elderly parents if numbers go up again.

Lidlfix · 28/07/2020 18:16

Rararachel "latest trend" GrinGrin. Love how often new "innovations" come up in education. And they will revolutionise...

Invisimamma · 28/07/2020 18:22

Falkirk is same situation as Stirling, however they've said pupils will be part time until 24th August (that'll be 3 days at school over the 2 weeks for my primary dc). That's another 2 weeks I needs to find childcare for (impossible, it doesn't exist), plus the extra week in October I'll need to pay for care and 2 days 'lost' in service at another point, so a total of 12 days extra off school (at £25 per day per child that's £600 i don't have and haven't budgeted for). I get 5 weeks holiday per year, total, that's gone pretty much already.

I get that teachers want their holidays but this seems a bit much to me when so many others have lost out . My partner works in the nhs and has lost many weeks of holidays this year due to covid that he can't just claim back elsewhere, those holidays are gone. There's talk of potentially getting them back in 2022. I don't deny anyone holidays it just stings a bit that there seems to be no thought of how families can deal with that on top of evrything else this year.

Lidlfix · 28/07/2020 18:30

Banana that's not selfish. My parents are elderly too and one of my fears if I am not allowed to wear a mask and only observe physical distance "when possible" is my risk to them. My medical profession DB - full PPE, my IT profession DS WFH and me a timetable with lots of 16+ . My amazing DPs still disinfect their newspaper , would we need to go back to chats out the window in winter?

A 2 week October and 6 week summer should be Scotlandwide. If different regions need some variety on when these take place (for crops etc) then fine, have some variation.

But it is such a long term in the cold and dark , Jan to Feb break then Feb break to Easter is a hop , skip and jump to the summer.

Lidlfix · 28/07/2020 18:39

Invismamma I understand and totally sympathise. As I live and teach in Stirling I have teaching colleagues from Falkirk trying to figure out what they are supposed to do as they are the in the same position. It's not part time for them just the pupils. Many of them worked in hubs over Easter and then had a a shorter summer spring on them too.

Much of my concern regarding the lengthy term was for pupils. But I am not getting drawn into discussion off topic as per previous requests. I hope Falkirk finds a solution that is less difficult.

Mistressiggi · 28/07/2020 18:58

Are any of those days off extra though? The October week surely comes from the summer, and there are always inset days?

Mistressiggi · 28/07/2020 18:59

those holidays are gone. There's talk of potentially getting them back in 2022
This doesn't make sense

britINscotland · 28/07/2020 19:00

call it what you want, my point was that different councils are doing different things and this could cause confusion and anger amongst parents and teachers.

As I said above, BJ is saying Europe is at the start of a second wave. As Britain has been about 2-3 weeks behind Europe, if we see an increase, kids will all be back at school by then. Do they stay at school or do they get closed again just a few weeks into the new term?

Some are convinced it will be back to school full time all year. I'm much more pessimistic.

Mistressiggi · 28/07/2020 19:03

To be fair Brit it's totally normal for different councils to have different holidays.