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From the random box of covid restrictions we now get....

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WaxOnFeckOff · 02/07/2020 14:33

Facemasks in shops.

I mean really, what is the point now? If they were useful then the time when they were useful was months ago.

Surely the chance of catching covid in a shop is minute, the chance of then being ill is more minute and the chance of dying is vastly remote.

It just feels like it another thing to say just to keep control? I have no problem doing things that make sense and protect others, but really? Public transport where you may be in the vicinity of someone for longer seems fair enough but shops doesn't make sense.

IME so far, having a mask dangling from your neck without even being worn seems to give people carte blanche to stand less than a foot away from others.

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YonBonnieBanks · 15/07/2020 12:16

A journalist on BBC the Nine says why not get an exemption letter and the CEO of the disabilty charity reminded her that GPs will not issue them, quite rightly, because they know full well that its illegal to make a disabled person prove a disability. Sadly shops do not realise they are breaking the law.

Many of them will get away with it because disabled people will try somewhere else (or stay at home) but stronger disabled people will challenge it. Just look at the "disability law centre" on Facebook to see what disabled people are having to experience already.

I am concerned by reports today that we may have to wear masks in the workplace. Its not happening - yet- but who knows what will change? Blackburn in England are already saying masks in workplaces to avoid another Leicester.

Dinosauratemydaffodils · 15/07/2020 12:37

I am concerned by reports today that we may have to wear masks in the workplace

It just gets worse and worse doesn't it. I got about 30 minutes sleep last night, woke up fighting after a nightmare about being suffocated again. Phoned the GP, she can't see me outside due to privacy issues so no pills. I'm currently tidying the house (binning most of my junk so dh won't have to do) and dh has had to take the day off to look after the kids because I'm not fit to.

anon444877 · 15/07/2020 13:12

I talked to my DM this am - she’s e titled to an exemption based on breathing problems but has decided to wear the mask because she’s scared of being challenged constantly.

I don’t know what the answer is but it’s upsetting that vulnerable people are feeling like they have to comply.

YonBonnieBanks · 15/07/2020 17:01

I fainted this morning myself due to lack of sleep. banged my head off the sink in the bathroom. gave DD a real fright. I emailed my doctor a few days ago to highlight my anxiety has gotten worse. No response.

Some of the threads on MN are really horrible. As is Twitter.

My DM came on FB chat earlier to say she hates the mask (although she can wear one) and will be cutting down her shopping to just food shopping. fortunately she has a coop at the corner of her road.

The high street is going to die. How long before (hopefully) we get a U turn on face masks because more and more shops are closing and jobs being lost?

I am fearful that the FM will try to do another "I did it first" by making us wear masks at work.

I have already tried to speak to my union about the difficulties face masks and social distancing will be for me as a person with multiple disabilities. When I am doing my job in the office and in the community, it is going to cause me real problems. Union haven't replied and I feel rather let down although I know they will be busy.

HeIenaDove · 15/07/2020 17:53

Get a load of this..................from down here in England

twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1283392513080995842?s=20

Adam Bienkov
@AdamBienkov
After Michael Gove was pictured without a face covering in a Pret A Manger, Boris Johnson’s spokesman says masks will not be required when buying takeaway food.

Add message | Report | Message poster | Quote | See allHeIenaDove Wed 15-Jul-20 17:50:22
yes its well known that takeaways are a lot bigger than supermarkets so social distancing is so much easier hmm

now the pissheads wont have to worry about going to get their kebabs from the takeaway after leaving the pub or donning a mask to do it because they arent required in either.

SockYarn · 15/07/2020 18:18

Well I am just back from Aldi in my visor face shield thing and it was fine. Lots more comfortable than a mask. Security guard just nodded and waved me through.

chrislilleyswig · 15/07/2020 19:20

We were in a home textile shop today and they were offering visors to those without masks

Poor girl couldn't take the wrapper off to assemble to visit because of her gloves

We bought some fabric face coverings so will be using them from now on

nextslideplease · 15/07/2020 19:29

my dsis is raging because her US state has made masks mandatory in schools and her kids are really upset. Her eldest has SN. Yes its a lot worse in the states but kids wearing masks all day, especially in their very hot state, and even when they have SN, is just not good.

prettybird · 15/07/2020 19:45

@AdamBienkov

After Michael Gove was pictured without a face covering in a Pret A Manger, Boris Johnson’s spokesman says masks will not be required when buying takeaway food.

Altering the "rules" to fit the favoured few Hmm Sound familiar? WinkAngry

YonBonnieBanks · 15/07/2020 20:17

or maybe Gove is in an exempt category?

(although if he is, he should say so, as it would really help raise publicity of exemptions!)

MumofHunter · 15/07/2020 20:22

Absolutely despicable @PrettyBird, you're right . Continuing the pattern of changing rules to suit his fellow Tory twats. The man has absolutely no integrity.

Arkadia · 15/07/2020 20:34

Well, in fairness are not mandatory yet.

prettybird · 15/07/2020 20:52

That would have been a perfectly acceptable response Arkadia - that it is not yet mandatory - yet the Downing Street response appears to be for the moment that "takeaway food shops will be exempt" even though Matt Hancock said they would be included Confused

MH1111 · 15/07/2020 20:55

Most masks are the equivalent of trying to use a football net to stop a bullet, pointless.

Unless you have a surgical grade mask you might as well not bother

YonBonnieBanks · 15/07/2020 21:00

Thanks whoever said visors instead of masks can be worn instead. DM is happy now although I warned her some shops might still want a mask.

She says her corner coop staff are all wearing visors (no masks) so that's good for lip reading so I might risk going there. Hopefully no queues (can't social distance)

MumofHunter · 15/07/2020 21:13

Yes Pretty, just like when it was said that people's fines for breaking lockdown to travel for "childcare' (aka Cummings) would be revoked and then the gov backtracked the next day saying the fines for everyone else that did the same would stand. Zero integrity.

chrislilleyswig · 15/07/2020 21:14

@Arkadia

Well, in fairness are not mandatory yet.
Would takeaways come under "hospitality" as in cafes, I wonder

I know the SG has said that no coverings need to be worn there. Wonder if that would be included

Although it's irrelevant here

chrislilleyswig · 15/07/2020 21:16

@HeIenaDove

Get a load of this..................from down here in England

twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1283392513080995842?s=20

Adam Bienkov
@AdamBienkov
After Michael Gove was pictured without a face covering in a Pret A Manger, Boris Johnson’s spokesman says masks will not be required when buying takeaway food.

Add message | Report | Message poster | Quote | See allHeIenaDove Wed 15-Jul-20 17:50:22
yes its well known that takeaways are a lot bigger than supermarkets so social distancing is so much easier hmm

now the pissheads wont have to worry about going to get their kebabs from the takeaway after leaving the pub or donning a mask to do it because they arent required in either.

Well takeaways seem to be managing the physical distancing well

Much easier to manage two in two out in a kebab shop than to be managing weekly shops in Tesco 🤷‍♀️

Tomorrowisanewday · 15/07/2020 21:44

Takeaways in Scotland have been told masks are required. I went tonight, and they had a big sign up with the SG advice

chrislilleyswig · 15/07/2020 22:08

@Tomorrowisanewday

Takeaways in Scotland have been told masks are required. I went tonight, and they had a big sign up with the SG advice
I did wonder about that. I've checked the updated (today) guidance and can't see specific mention of takeaways, so they must be under shops rather than cafes.
Tomorrowisanewday · 16/07/2020 09:07

I think it's an area that there needs to be clearer guidance. I just had to pop back to my car for my mask, I'd never do anything to upset the lovely people who run it, but I know they'd previously had hassle from people about the two people at a time rule.

Matt Hancock saying you dont need to wear a mask in Pret isnt helping.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 17/07/2020 11:00

I'm in Scotland and we went out for lunch on 15th (birthday celebration).

We sat indoors in a restaurant. Max tables of 6, well spread out. staff wore visors, customers had to sanitise on entry and before & after using toilets. No masks or face coverings needed.

HeIenaDove · 21/07/2020 18:17

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/disabled-scots-lawyer-disgusted-after-22380425?fbclid=IwAR0kTWJTrE-LAf-DL2YN0JXuvl-0tJ8sKWy5z4MsjiXwfRxyrA1gV_VnhUA

Disabled Scots lawyer 'disgusted' after being harassed and refused entry to shops without face mask
Daniel Donaldson has hidden disabilities and says he has been taken aback by the treatment he has received on the street from strangers

A disabled Scots lawyer claims he has been regularly harassed and abused by strangers for not wearing a face mask in shops.

Daniel Donaldson has hidden respiratory disabilities and is exempt from wearing a mask.

The 40-year-old, who is a disability rights lawyer, says he has been left ‘disgusted’ by the discriminatory treatment directed towards him and others who are permitted to not wear a face covering in public.

He claims he has been confronted by strangers, subjected to vile verbal attacks and refused entry into stores since face masks were made mandatory in shops in Scotland on July 10.

Daniel told the Daily Record: “I have hidden disabilities and underlying medical conditions and therefore I am exempt from wearing a mask.

“However I have been utterly taken aback at the treatment I, and others in similar situations, have experienced since they were made compulsory two weeks ago.

We are being discriminated against and refused access to shops on some occasions, and that is just not acceptable.

“I’m disgusted.

“Just last week I was stopped in John Lewis by a customer who demanded to know where my mask was.

“I said I am exempt and then a further explanation was demanded, to which I told the person to ‘p* off’ because it’s a breach of my privacy.

"Face masks affect my breathing. This raises my respiration. This increases my heart rate. This causes distress. To wear this, I need to take diazepam. In addition to the regular medications, and liquid steroids to help keep my airways open

Daniel also slammed the Scottish Government for “rushing through” confusing legislation to enforce the new rule.

He added: “The problem is, the Scottish Government published this law three hours before it was introduced.

“There was no consultation with disability groups, no taking into account how it would affect them.

"The guidance is confusing, and doesn't make it clear that we don't need medical evidence to prove we are exempt."

Daniel, from Glasgow, says he was desperate to get out and about after being cooped up at home since the end of February.

He has been relishing the easing of restrictions but was not prepared for the amount of people who would challenge him in the street or in shops over his lack of PPE.

Daniel said: “I’m not jumping on the anti-face mask bandwagon here, I just believe people with disabilities who are exempt have the right not to be harassed going about their lives.

“Disabled people are not lepers, we are not going out there to spread the virus, and if staff and other customers are wearing their face masks, they have nothing to worry about, they are protected.

“So I’m just trying to raise a bit of awareness as we all try to get back to a bit of normality because it has been a lonely time for all of us and it’s not fair that some are feeling worry about finally getting to go into shops.”

Daniel, who runs the Disability Law Centre in Glasgow, has been using his organisation’s Facebook page to raise awareness and call shops out for discriminatory treatment.

He has also stepped in when he has witnessed harassment of others.

He added: “I have intervened in a number of incidents and I try to help as much as I can.

“Last week a security guard at a shop in Glasgow was trying to stop a young girl from entering because she didn’t have a mask, even though she was explaining why she couldn't wear one.

“He was intimidating her and I was not happy with his tone to this young girl, another woman said it was disgusting, so I took it up with management and they apologised profusely.

“But we can’t be there to see all these incidents unfold.”

Proof of exemption is also not a suitable solution to the issue, according to Daniel.

He said: “Things like exemption lanyards or so called medical evidence will not work.

“If you put a lanyard on, it’s like putting a big disability sticker on you forehead.

“All we can do for now is raise awareness because the system right now is not working.

“It makes me wary to go out but I will continue to live my life and try to help others do the same.”

A Scottish Government spokesperson said: “As the First Minister has said, no one should be abused or treated in an unacceptable way and those exempt under the regulations should not be made to wear a face covering or denied access to shops.

"Retailers can ask people to wear a face covering, but should be understanding when people tell them they are exempt and we do not expect staff to enforce the wearing of face coverings.

“The guidance on the use of face coverings by the public is contained in the Phase 3 Staying Safe and Protecting others guidance on the Scottish Government website.

This makes clear that it may not be appropriate for those who have a health condition or for disabled people to wear a face covering.

“For those who are not exempt, it is now mandatory to wear a face covering on public transport and in shops or other retail outlets, and we expect face coverings to be worn when in an enclosed public space where it is difficult to maintain two metres physical distance and where there is a risk of close contact with multiple people you do not usually meet.”

Find out more about Daniel's campaign to promote awareness of hidden disabilities here

anon444877 · 21/07/2020 18:26

I wish people would mind their own business - exactly why my mum is wearing a mask despite respiratory problems. People really need to understand hidden disabilities better.

YonBonnieBanks · 21/07/2020 19:14

I follow the Disability Law Centre on Facebook. TBH I'm in two minds even though I'm disabled myself.

on the one hand, I agree we shouldn't have to label ourselves. I also agree that we shouldn't be confronted or denied entry. I agree that this face mask rule is making this very difficult for us when we are already victims of daily discrimination.

On the other hand, however, I myself have gotten lanyards, badges and ID cards to identify myself as disabled.

Whilst I don't like it at all and don't think I should have to do this, I also want to minimise conflict with shop workers and stress so I am resigned to it being necessary.

So I think this man is doing neither himself nor the disabled community any favours. I feel he is actively trying to prove a point. He may not like it but he should try to help them understand by wearing the lanyard etc.

Also you can wear a visor instead of a mask so I don't know if he won't or can't wear one (although some shops might still not be happy).

Lastly, he's 40? Does he fuck look the same age as me.