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2019 SQA Results

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Groovee · 15/07/2019 00:54

So the 6th of August is fast approaching... here is the 2019 thread.

Ds was sitting a mixture of highers and Nat5's. So we'll see what this year brings.

I'm just grateful it's not 2 lots like last year as it was a mare.

OP posts:
Lidlfix · 06/08/2019 16:06

Did you/she apply for exceptional circs prior to exams Jammie?I had to send off a raft of evidence for a potential A student who required a scribe due to a last minute diagnosis. The candidate felt that relaying to the scribe what they wanted written interrupted flow and thought process. SQA would then be able to compare and see what they had been achieving.

2 clear grade boundaries estimated grade and actual grade is the criteria in some LAs for remark. So sounds like she meets that.

IHaveBrilloHair · 06/08/2019 16:15

It's taken Dd three years to get 6 Nat5s and 3 Highers at grade C or above.
She struggles because of her/my circumstances which is why she's gone for an HNC at college.

margotsdevil · 06/08/2019 16:16

@OtraCosaMariposa Computing Science is now 100% externally marked - the coursework is marked by the SQA as well as the exam paper, so not sure what you meant by the external component reference? Just wanted to clarify that Smile

I've been lurking as a teacher and I had as little sleep as any of you last night!

sassanach · 06/08/2019 16:26

@Bumply

Could your son try Clearing to find another university course?

Alittewornout · 06/08/2019 16:30

Just finished work and catching up! Wax so so pleased for your boy what an amazing turn around. Very proud parent moment! And your Dd Brillo that is fab news re maths! Hugs to those who’s dc didn’t get what they wanted but I have to agree with the SQA there is no wrong path just a different one which may end up even better.x ps thanks for the new thread!!!x

OtraCosaMariposa · 06/08/2019 16:38

@margotsdevil - no I think I got that bit wrong. I thought that the sheet showed the grade that he got for the exam and the grade for the exam but it's not that. I think the school will have more info about how he did in each section.

He thinks he did fine in the coursework and that the exam wasn't that bad. That's more of a worry than him knowing he's had a nightmare and that being reflected in his grade. We'll see what the school says tomorrow, hopefully they'll still let him continue with Higher on the promise he seriously pulls his socks up. A D is a lot different from all his other marks and he was very surprised with it.

Sparkygal · 06/08/2019 16:52

Thanks for the handholding 😘 Ds has phoned school and spoke to his guidance teacher for a good 15 mins.
She was lovely and said firstly don't panic and is setting up a meeting with both herself and careers advisor on the 1st day back.
She said he has options at school, can resit English higher and sit his Art higher, then look at crashing other subjects. Or he can begin to look at college courses (work towards an HND then onto uni for 3rd year).
My friend who worked in a law firm said her colleague didn't study law until he was 35 and before that he worked in a shop. That was motivating.
Feeling a bit better and ds is perkier tonight. Tomorrow is a new day. Worst part is people asking how it went and having to say not so well... x

BadBadger · 06/08/2019 16:53

Did those who got results via text also get them in the post today? I thought we would have had both but only got the text.

dementedpixie · 06/08/2019 17:01

Yes we got them in the post too

margotsdevil · 06/08/2019 17:03

@OtraCosaMariposa yes, the school gets what is called the component breakdown - so I know what each of my pupils received separately for their coursework and exam paper, as well as the overall that they see on their exam certificate.

Chocolatedeficitdisorder · 06/08/2019 17:05

@Bumply
'C in Advanced Higher Computing, but failed Maths and Graph Comm, so not getting into Uni'

My son was in a very similar position 4 years ago. He had 3 Highers, ABC and failed AH computing and H maths, only passing Graph Comm with a C. Failed to get into his preferred course at Uni. He's autistic and always found the self-directed part of the work difficult.

Anyway, 4 years on and he's about to go into his final year of his BAHons in his original choice. He went to college and did the 2 year HND, then into 2nd year of his course.

OtraCosaMariposa · 06/08/2019 17:16

That's great news, @margotsdevil. Hopefully his year head will have that when we see him tomorrow. I would hope that will all the other results being strong they will accept it as a blip and allow him to continue with the Higher.

The only alternative in the same column is French which he performed strongly in, but hated.

margotsdevil · 06/08/2019 17:35

Fingers crossed. I know our school have let pupils start at a Higher when they feel the Nat 5 was an "unexpected" result with the possibility of dropping to resit at Nat 5 if it doesn't work out at Higher - hope it all works out!

BadBadger · 06/08/2019 17:51

Thanks pixie. We've recently moved house and did change address but wondering if it's somehow still gone to the old house then. Didn't realise the Royal Mail redirect took a few days before it went through and DH completely forgot to do it before we moved. I'm glad DD was signed up for the texts now!

dementedma · 06/08/2019 18:20

A for Higher Sound Tech and B for Advanced Higher Music ( which he crashed). Others were rubbish but timetable fillers so he's quite happy. He's currently half way through a 10 night run at the Fringe so wont see him till the weekend. He's more interested in show reviews...one 5 star and two 4 star so far.

ColdTattyWaitingForSummer · 06/08/2019 21:47

@Lidlfix can I just jump in and ask about what you said about remarks? My ds got a high A on his psychology prelim, then a C when he got his results today. He was under the impression a remark wasn’t an option? (Sorry.. he’s really far away just now and feeling rotten not to be able to do anything to help. None of his results were quite what he hoped for, but that one was especially odd.)

haggisaggis · 06/08/2019 22:19

Whether the exam goes for a clerical check or marking review depends on the school. My ds (3 years ago) got an A for Higher geography prelim but failed the higher. The school put in for a remark and he ended up with a C. There is no charge to the school if the mark changes but they are charged (think it may be £60) if no change. Having read loads of threads on here over the years I think some schools will quite happily go for marking reviews whereas for others there has to be a substantial difference between prelim grade an actual. But I would think an A in the prelim is definite reason to request the school to ask for one.

margotsdevil · 06/08/2019 22:19

@ColdTattyWaitingForSummer different schools seem to apply the guidelines slightly differently.

In our school if you have evidence that the pupil was working at a higher grade than the one achieved (eg consistent performance at A standard in prelims and assessments) AND the pupil was estimated to achieve at that level (probably will have been if they have been a consistent performer) AND the pupil was within 3 marks of the grade boundary (marks not percentage) then we would be allowed to request a remark. This is in line with the SQA guidelines however I know some schools are more lenient.

There would be other times where we could request one (for example if a whole class or part of a class significantly underperformed) or where a coursework element was marked substantially differently to what the teacher has expected) but there would have to be strong evidence of some form that we thought there had been a serious mistake as opposed to just a pupil having a "bad day out" in the exam.

Hope that helps! It does sound that in the case of your DS the evidence and most likely the estimate have met the first 2 criteria, so it would then depend on how close he was to the boundary above in our school.

margotsdevil · 06/08/2019 22:22

And there's no difference between a clerical check and a review - I mark for the SQA and am a member of the team that carries out this process. We do a clerical check first and then review the marking as well - we definitely do both for every pupil. It's a very small percentage of pupils who do get an upgrade though.

ColdTattyWaitingForSummer · 06/08/2019 22:44

Thanks @margotsdevil I’ll pass all that on to him and get him to speak to the college and find out his component scores (I think when I spoke to him earlier they hadn’t given those to him so he’s unsure).

OtraCosaMariposa · 07/08/2019 13:01

So the plot thickens. School were predicting a Band 3 (upper B) in Computing, DS got a Band 7 (upper D). They are putting in a request for a remark.

Even weirder was the breakdown of marks - he got 38 out of 50 for the coursework/assignment, 76% and as predicted. In the exam, he got 29 out of 110, 26% and miles off predicted.

DS has a theory which seems plausible. He did all of his exams digitally, on a laptop. In computing there were some questions which required him to draw diagrams on pieces of paper. These papers should then have been added together and marked as one. (That's what happened in Biology and Chemistry). If one paper has been lost, mis coded with the wrong candidate number or whatever, it would certainly explain the very low mark - half the paper wasn't there.

Will SQA confirm whether all elements of the paper were marked? DS is sure that he answered every question, or at least wrote something for every question.

wigglybeezer · 08/08/2019 19:37

That exact scenario happened to DS 1 with one of his Nat5s, one paper missing, he was eventually awarded a grade based on his prelim which he had unfortunately failed by 1%, so didn't work out well for him but if you have a good prelim mark hurray!
It did take a while to get to the bottom off it though.

OtraCosaMariposa · 09/08/2019 09:31

That gives me hope, @wigglybeezer. I know my son isn't perfect. I know he's a lazy sod who wings it on minimum effort. But 26% in the exam is unprecedented for him. But if half the paper has gone missing and can't be located for whatever reason, what will they do? Just give a grade based on the prelim and school predictions? In my day (God I sound old) they only ever upgraded you by one - so from a D to a C. Could he potentially go from a D to a B as predicted then?

My main worry is the error rate - school told me that they challenged 83 results last year (at all levels, not just Nat 5) and 11 were upgraded once they'd looked at it again. 11 out of thousands of scripts across the school might not be a high percentage but multiply that across Scotland and there must be thousands of kids getting the wrong grade. Not a big deal at Nat 5 perhaps but if you're sitting waiting for a Higher results to get into Uni, potentially devastating.

Wonder if @margotsdevil or other markers can confirm what the teacher told me:

Scripts aren't marked twice. Only one marker ever looks at the paper.

If a marker is marking consistently low or high, they don't remark all of their papers, just a sample.

No-one's double checking that the marker has totalled the marks properly, or even marked all the questions.

I understand marking the papers must be an enormous logistical task. And that getting each paper marked twice is expensive and time consuming. But then to do all of that and NOT offer a proper remark service (which we'd be happy to pay for if available) seems really off. The ways of the SQA have long been a mystery though.

DS is happier but still brooding. He even suggested going into school again when the teachers are back next week and doing the paper again under exam conditions to prove to them - and to himself - that there is no way the mark can be right. It's such a shame for him as this has taken the shine off what is otherwise an excellent set of results.

OtraCosaMariposa · 09/08/2019 09:40

Oh and another question - do markers have the facility to flag missing bits of the paper? Or would they just assume that if questions are missing, that the candidate never answered them?

margotsdevil · 09/08/2019 09:45

None of what the teacher has told you is accurate in my experience Hmm but I'd say they don't mark perhaps.

If a marker is found to be severe or lenient then there are a few different options for the SQA. They can order a full remark (rare but definitely does happen every year for at least a few markers), they can order a partial remark (where a certain section of the paper has been found to be wrong but the rest is okay - so maybe the multiple choice was fine but long answers weren't, so just the long answers would be redone), a factor can be applied (where a marker consistently gives 3 marks less across scripts, every script marked by the market will have the 3 adjusted on them).

Marking is being checked constantly if the marking is online, and if it's on paper then the same number of scripts are sampled afterwards - which usually leads to more remarks than the online version as markers can be supported through the online process to "get it right" or stopped if necessary more easily. If it's online marking the marks are totalled automatically. I don't teach CS so I can't say if that's the case or not sorry, and I'm trying not to out myself either!

If the script is sent for review - which it sounds like it will be - it will be looked at by a team of very experienced and high quality markers, who will firstly check for arithmetical errors and then review the marking to ensure it's in line with the marking instructions. They will also flag if a section has been missed or if there are pages missing and that can then be resolved.

Hope that's some help - as I said I'm not a CS teacher but I am in that senior team for another (unrelated) subject, and I know a number of senior markers for other subjects too so I know the process works the same across the board.

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