Change Notre Dame High School from girls only

[Glasgowlassie]

I have 2 children, currently at Notre Dame Primary in Glasgow. I have only just discovered, due to a recent campaign that my son and daughter will not be able to go to the same High School.

Girls are enrolled into Notre Dame High School, an all girls high school, this is state funded and a total anomaly, the only one of its kind in Scotland. My daughter must go there unless I can get her into another local school via a placing request, becoming increasingly difficult in the West End.

My son has to go to the linked school 3 miles away, St Thomas Aquinas, if I can't get him into another school which is closer.

Over 75% of the girls in this girls only school come from a distance via placing request. So this has an impact on the local community and the environment.

There is a campaign to change this which is how I became aware that my children would not even be allowed to go to St Thomas Aquinas without a placing request for my daughter.

In 2018 there is no place for an all girls school as it is discriminatory. Schools should serve their local area first.

Campaign is here for anyone that is interested and wants to help change it. Particularly people from Glasgow.

www.ndh4all.net

Indeed,had you queried schools and high schools we’d have all chipped in
Seeing we know,you’d have been signposted to the relevant info and criteria
And with the full gamut of information you’d have made an informed choice
A choice you’d likely be happy with,and two kids heading to same co-ed hs
Instead of unnecessarily battling to change a School because it doesn’t suit future preference

It's not just me * lipstick* plenty of others want change too. Good news is we have the go ahead to the consultation just announced.

My OP was to highlight the petition so it will benefit future generations. It IS about single sex education and the discrimination against local children. My children wont be impacted by the outcome however much you keep going on about my lack of planning being the motivation. You haven't had one valid point and I'm rather bored of your repetitive nonsense.

I feel I have not only answered points raised but I have also provided factually accurate information.
I've provided stats on women in STEM and corresponding science results for girls at single-sex schools. I have referenced studies from across the globe on the benefits of single-sex education and gender atypical subject choices. I have also summarised just some of the socio-economic differences between Hillhead and the other demographics that attend NDHS. As well as correcting the incorrect information you provided about which school had amalgamated with NDPS.
You're being argumentative rather than acknowledging that there are numerous posters on this thread (myself included) who have provided factual answers to the points you've raised. All of whom would have been just as happy to provide this information if you had asked for it before deciding on NDPS for your DCs. A choice which you do now seem to be regretting.

You’ve argued your way through the thread with posters who don’t concur
Slating Posters who aren’t affirmative to you as pointless,nit picky etc
This was avoidable,and you’re touchy when that’s pointed out.

Fraying could you please also post links to the studies you referenced? I showed you mine now you show me yours 😉

Lipstickhandbagcoffee if anyone is on the attack it's you gunning for the op. Not nice.

Beanie,Obv will support op I'm in the same boat as you and totally agree
You too chose a v local school and didn’t avail self of full info or impact of this choice
To the extent you said knowing what you know now you’d chose differently
It is in your best interest when making a significant decisions to avail self of full info,You didn’t do that
And unfortunately you and op don’t like the situation you’re now in

I’ve not been derogatory.im simply stating its fact that this was avoidable
Op has called posters pointless,nitpicky,repetitive
I note you’re in similar situation as you said you didn’t understand school criteria

Surprise surprise fraying you still haven't addressed the points I made several posts above. You are more interested in questioning my motives than actually addressing why gender discrimination and segregation is acceptable. I'd say you are the one who has little knowledge of the arguments and that's why you have ignored the questions and are focusing on irrelevances.

To argue that I am not campaigning against single sex education across the UK is a ridiculous point. I am campaigning to change the one single sex state funded school in Scotland which happens to be in my local area.

Also given that on the post at 10:05 you stated that my children could go to school together, you are obviously not one of the knowledgeable posters who could advise about school catchment and places. Neither did most other posters on this thread know the reality of the situation, so I don't really think there is any irony here.

You are detracting from the valid debate with your irrelevant nonsense and I refuse to engage with your goady posts any further

Well I was aware of the high school situation when choosing to send my son to NDPS. I don’t regret my choice - it is a lovely school and my son is friends with both boys and girls from different cultures and countries and is very happy there.

It doesn’t mean that I have to accept the status quo and not challenge the unfair situation with NDHS. I will not accept it is correct and fair that my son cannot attend our nearest high school due to his sex. I will not accept that it is correct and fair that P7 in my sons school are the only P7 class in Scotland that don’t have the right to transition to high school as a cohort, splitting up families and friends.

I hope the consultation allows us all to have a say and hopefully we will get the right result for our boys and girls who are being failed at the moment.

I just think...surely you knew this to be the case when you chose ND primary for your children?

It’s not a ‘right’ to attend the school closest to your home.

Op,beanie,Lego.all happy to chose ndps,close,suits you etc
Don’t like the associated high school?why didn’t you factor this in when choosing
Nd isn’t comparable case to other schools as it’s single sex,so obv boys progress to TA
The criteria is had you wanted a local high school that’s not TA, you must attend another primary school
The 3 of you chose nd when it suited your needs/preference and now want a whole new provision and review because TA doesn’t suit you
It seems utterly self serving. You want to deny other parents the v school you sought out because the onward hs doesn’t suit your needs

Tinycitrus - no it’s not your ‘right’ to attend your nearest school. But generally you are entitled to attend your catchment school. Only this one does not allow boys - the only one of its kind left in Scotland!

I would say it is not your ‘right’ to have a state funded single sex education.

Just choose Hyndland or Hillhead or Cleveden.

You knew ndhs was single sex,and your son would go elsewhere.you made an informed choice
Except now want a complete revision so your doesn’t have to attend TA
Other parents looked at the whole picture and chose a different ps to nd in order to secure preferred local high school

So P7s from NDPS should be split over 5 different high schools?! How is that fair?!

I would be supporting this campaign whichever primary we had chosen. As are many friends and colleagues who are in agreement that it is time for change.

but that is what going to high school is like...

From Hillhead primary

• some go to GA

-some go to KA -some go to ND -some go to TA -more go to Hillhead -some go to hyndland

• some move away completely

The children meet children from other primary schools. they make friends.

All this huffing and puffing about tearing communities apart etc it’s vern like this for decades. Get over it.

I’ve not said I want a revision so my son doesn’t attend TA?

I want a revision so that children from NDPS have the right to attend the same high school without the need for placing request.

Considering NDHS is within walking distance of the primary, is under capacity and is currently not serving the needs of the local community with 72% of the s1 intake being placing request, it seems to me to make sense to open it to boys so that both local boys and girls can attend.

Most of the high schools have a very high percentage of placing requests.

When DD1 started at Hillhead Primary it was 70% placing request.

The council has agreed to a consultation today so everyone can have their say on that. No one is going to persuade posters on the other side to change their minds here. Let's stop the mud slinging and leave it to democratic process. We're all just parents trying to do our best.

In west end after p7 some kids disperse to other schools.it doesn’t wreck communities
From hyndland ps7 to
Glasgow high
Hillhead High
Hyndland Secondary
Knightswood secondary
Thomas Aquinas
Notre Dame
Glasgow academy
St Als

As a parent you prepare your kids for transition & changers new high school as opposed to demanding a whole system revision

The fact is that there is very little demand for a single sex school in the area. A council run catchment school has a duty to meet the needs of it's catchment community first and foremost. Making NDH co-ed will ease pressure on surrounding high schools. GCC has a stated commitment to 'local schools for local kids' and a duty to ensure its resources are channelled into achieving that. All the attacks on parents' choices at primary age do not change those basic facts.

This school has been in the news today about them looking at accepting boys :/

The consultation is scheduled to take place after the Council has looked at catchments. As I pointed out, that may have been a more worthwhile focus for your campaign.

The OP's attitude is pretty common in this area too. At my local Primary School there are lots of children who live across the county boundary into Glasgow, Stirlingshire or West Dunbartonshire. Historically, getting a place in a Bearsden primary has been easy, as has putting a placing request into Bearsden Academy / Douglas Academy and getting that accepted too.

Until last year when for whatever reason there was a massive local P7 cohort. There were something like 90 placing requests for Bearsden Academy turned down. Nobody without a sibling, who lived out of catchment got a place. Lots of very disappointed parents saying a lot of the same things as the OP - it's the system which isn't fair, it's not about their child, it's about all these other children, look at all the houses they're building and it's only going to get worse, why accept them into Primary when the Academy is chockablock, the system needs to change.

The placing request system has been in force forever, certainly since I was at school in the 70s/80s. The way the system works hasn't changed over that time and since then all of the Councils have put the full criteria online. It's a huge gamble when you accept a placing request place for Primary on what the situation will be 7 years in the future when you're going through the process again for secondary, especially when your child is in a primary in the West End, East Ren or East Dunbartonshire on a placing request.

It's probably no surprise that two families I know of in my P5 child's class have moved into catchment in the last six months to secure their secondary school place.

Fraying....."Beaniethat desktop study from 2014 has been superceded and contradicted by studies in both the UK and Australia (as well as Chile, Austria, etc) concerning outcomes and gender atypical subject selection.".....links please 😊