Change Notre Dame High School from girls only

[Glasgowlassie]

I have 2 children, currently at Notre Dame Primary in Glasgow. I have only just discovered, due to a recent campaign that my son and daughter will not be able to go to the same High School.

Girls are enrolled into Notre Dame High School, an all girls high school, this is state funded and a total anomaly, the only one of its kind in Scotland. My daughter must go there unless I can get her into another local school via a placing request, becoming increasingly difficult in the West End.

My son has to go to the linked school 3 miles away, St Thomas Aquinas, if I can't get him into another school which is closer.

Over 75% of the girls in this girls only school come from a distance via placing request. So this has an impact on the local community and the environment.

There is a campaign to change this which is how I became aware that my children would not even be allowed to go to St Thomas Aquinas without a placing request for my daughter.

In 2018 there is no place for an all girls school as it is discriminatory. Schools should serve their local area first.

Campaign is here for anyone that is interested and wants to help change it. Particularly people from Glasgow.

www.ndh4all.net

Fraying the caps were to highlight a point that keeps getting ignored despite it being repeated by me several times. In caps it might have sunk in.

There are studies that show that boys and girls in co-ed schools do just as well as those in single sex schools, your point about attainment in single sex schools is not valid.

To answer your question, I'm not campaigning to take options from girls. I am supporting the campaign to give MORE options to local girls who do not want single sex education - which is a significant majority as evidenced by the very low take up of the school by local girls. Don't forget this is a catchment school, its primary duty is to the local children who fall into that catchment.

Why do you think it's OK that a school fails in its fundamental requirement to meet the needs of local people and is promoting inequality and discrimination??

Why do you think it's OK for you to support gender discrimination and segregation with flimsy invalud arguments about attainment?

Beanie please link your meta analysis.
A single-sex boy's school would not be subject to this discussion because time and time and time again, it is girls and women who are asked to give up their provisions to accommodate boys. The ask is never made the other way.
Lego no-one is asking you to send your child to a single-sex school. They are simply asking you to respect the rights of other parents who do want to opt for single sex education.
As for it not being reflective of the world we live in. The world we live in is in the middle of a MeToo/TimesUp culture. Its attitude to women and girls has been found extremely lacking.

Only 21% of the workplace in STEM is female. A study into the benefits of single sex classes in science found that in single-sex physics class 87.5% of the girls made an ‘A’ and 12.5% of the girls made a ‘B’; whereas in the coeducational class only 14.3% of the girls made an ‘A’, 14.3% made a ‘B’, and 71.4% made a ‘C’.

But, tell me again how girls have to make more provision for boys and men.

I am sure that a few years ago East Dunbartonshire talked about bringing in a system where you had to make the decision at P1 So if you chose catholic education at that stage you had to stick with it and go to the catholic secondary in Bishopbriggs or have a placing request
Most people want their kids to go to Douglas or Bearsden Academy but want catholic education at primary level
I thought the council had backed down on that Does anyone know
OP you are in a difficult position
All the people saying it is ok to have kids at separate schools Really?
I find it hard enough having mine at the same school

‘Girls do better in single-sex schools’ is about far more than the single measure of educational attainment. It’s about the opportunity to be free of male competition and scrutiny, to do ‘male’ subjects without worry, to lead activities and groups without being castigated as ‘bossy’ or pushed aside. It’s about confidence and freedom. Of course that’s doable elsewhere too, but it’s much easier in a single sex school. When I was growing up the analysis showed girls did better in single sex schools and boys in mixed sex schools - so lo and behold most schools are mixed and in these girls do get pushed to softer, more ‘female’ subjects.

I am sorry OP, but you sound like my young teenage DS who spouts of about ‘why is there a Women’s Day, that’s so discriminatory against men’. Making provision to redress inequality is not discriminatory. Still working on my young hothead to get him to think more critically.

I have sympathy for your disappointment but not for the way you are attacking the girls school in question as being discriminatory.

Happy to oblige...
Meta analysis of 148 studies encompassing 21 nations and over 1.6 million children.
Conclusion: there is trivial difference between single sex and co -ed schooling
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24491022/

Fraying this campaign is to give MORE choice to local girls the majority of whom do not want single sex education as evidence by the numbers. Girls are not being asked to give up provision to suit boys, the request is to open up provision so that it is used by local girls and boys. This is a catchment school, you seem to keep ignoring that.

You also think it's OK to ignore the rights and wishes of local parents who do not want single sex education for their daughters.

Your support for the segregation of girls in NDHS because you belueve that their religion doesn't allow mixing with men isn't acceptable, it is itself example of an attitude that needs to change.

Single sex schools are not going to help progress changing attitudes to girls and woman. It's a fallacy to state that it will.

Working the current situation is discrimating again local girls too, not just boys. The take up of the school in the local area is very low because there is no appetite for single sex education.

To state that this school is making provision to address discrimination is simply just ignoring the fact that the school is failing in its primary duty towards local children.

To compare me to your teenage DS because I am challenging the status quo says more about your maturity than mine. I am not attacking the school, I am challenging the notion that this school is meeting the needs of the local area, in fact it is your post that reads as an attack on me.

urrently my boy/girl children and others like them from ND primary CANNOT go to the same school together without a placing request.

But this is a situation which is entirely avoidable. If you are so hung up on having the children together, then send them to Hillhead or Hyndland or whatever your local non-denominational primary is and they will transfer together. It is your RESPONSIBILITY as a parent to put a bit of thought into choosing a school and working through the transfer on to secondary.

All this stuff about schools having to serve the local area and single sex education is just cluttering the main issue which is that OP didn't do her homework when applying for P1 places. Yes spaces are under pressure and placing requests are no longer automatically granted. Same as many other places, and something which was predicted.

If you read the previous posts they explain that the situation in the area has changed. Rising school rolls mean that placing requests to Hillhead and Hyndland are now being refused because those schools are full to capacity.

The discussion about the duty of catchment schools to their local community and lack of demand for single sex education are the main points here. Attacking the OP seems like an attempt to distract from those issues.

It's also worth saying that the NDH4ALL campaign is simply asking for a consultation so everyone can have their say, both for and against.

Now on BBC Website

Op you are incorrect about NDHS having a delineated catchment.

You have exhibited a lack of planning and not availed yourself of all information
The result of this is you have only just now found out your two kids won’t progress to same high school
This was wholly unavoidable
1 You’re not RC, you chose nd as it’s local and suits your current needs. You didn’t look into the two destination high schools
2 you could have chosen hyndland primary (with progression to coed high school) but you didn’t

You’re not calling me out on anything. You simply haven’t adequately planned ahead or had a full set of information at point of choosing nd.

You have exhibited a lack of planning and not availed yourself of all information
The result of this is you have only just now found out your two kids won’t progress to same high school
This was wholly avoidable
1 You’re not RC, you chose nd as it’s local and suits your current needs. You didn’t look into the two destination high schools
2 you could have chosen hyndland primary (with progression to coed high school) but you didn’t

You’re not calling me out on anything. You simply haven’t adequately planned ahead or had a full set of information at point of choosing nd.

Glasgow you still haven't explained why you have chosen to campaign against a school that you don't want your children to attend rather than campaign for the catchment system to be changed or the feeder primary policy to be changed so they can attend one of the co-ed schools you prefer.
Beanie that desktop study from 2014 has been superceded and contradicted by studies in both the UK and Australia (as well as Chile, Austria, etc) concerning outcomes and gender atypical subject selection. The campaign's claim that it is only interested in a consultation is rather undermined by the Daily Mail sad face pics of children outside the gates; and in the deliberate misrepresentation of its support within the community. I'm sure you're aware the petition in support of NDHS remaining single-sex has over double the support of the OP's petition.

Also these stats show that some east REN schools have very high % of pupils from out with east ren (that isn’t including non catchment in easy ren).

East ren was on women’s hour as best place to live in uk
Fair whack of women reported they moved from west end to east ren for schools
It’s a pretty common g12 convo. For the price of a flat you can get a hoose with garden in east ren..and the schools...

lipstick you have nothing constructive to add, you've harped on about my "lack of planning" in every post. You've added nothing that supports the argument for single sex education, instead you persist in personal attacks. You and your assumptions are becoming tiresome.

Sevendown I didn't mention the word delineated in relation to NDHS. Yes, it has feeder primary schools and only girls from schools outwith these feeder schools require to make a placing request. Over 70% of those attending NDHS come via placing request, i.e are outside the feeder schools and outside the population that NDHS is intended to serve.

Your pointing out the difference between catchment area and feeder school doesn't change the position that only 27 percent of girls from the feeder schools choose NDHS. Therefore it's failing to serve it's intended population. The deliniated/non- delineated point you have made is irrelevant and doesn't change the arguments. It is NOT intended to be a citywide school.

This isn’t about single sex education,you're wanting to change a whole school cause you failed to avail self of information and didn’t adequately plan
you simply don’t want to hear a contrary POV
this is wholly avoidable situation, you could have gone to hyndland and progressed to co-ed hs

I think all the schools have high percentages of placing requests. The west end has a fairly fluid population - or it did - due to the universities and teaching hospitals. I’m sure ND isn’t that much different to Hillhead or Hyndland.

As fur it being a girls school. That’s fairly common in England. Not what I would choose but not the end of the world either

And TBH it’s a catholic school and like it or not, single sex is probably part to its ethos and therefore it’s popularity.

Your lack of planning and incomplete information when choosing school is the crux of this op
Nd, is an established school serving the city not just the locality.its unlikely it’ll change
It’s not insurmountable to have two kids at two schools.could have been avoided though

Fraying you still havent managed to grasp the very simple fact that it is not my petition. Is it really that difficult to comprehend?

I am not campaigning against the school, that's a rather simplistic view, I am campaigning to end the discrimination that currently exists.

ALso where have I said that I don't want my children to attend NDHS? As for points that haven't been answered you haven't bothered to address any of the points made to you. You are more interested in pointless nitpicking than addressing any of the actual issues here.

Sevendown I'm not sure what your point is. If it's pointing out out of catchment attendees at East Ren schools, then they are not even remotely near the 70%+ figures for NDHS.

glasgowlassie you aren't concerned with the arguments about single sex education. You've shown you have little knowledge of them. You aren't campaigning against single-sex education across the UK. You're complaining about it because it currently impacts your life.

And, the irony is if you had come to Scotsnet before you moved to the west end then posters would have been able to advise you on the school catchment issues and I'd hazard a guess you would have opted for a non-dom primary and would not be spending any time campaigning against single-sex education at all.

OP meant 'opening post'. The petition is in the opening post.