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Where are all my No-mates?

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HamletsSister · 13/03/2017 13:44

In despair. Absolutely in despair. Do we have to go through this again? And with such a long lead up to the referendum? Really? What happened to the settled will of the Scottish people?

@statisticallychallenged Will you help me get through this again? (Was Roseformeplease then).

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BelleTheSheepdog · 07/05/2017 09:32

I didn't think that was the conclusion?

trixymalixy · 07/05/2017 09:36

Who is suggesting the SNP are playing unfairly? They are perfectly entitled as all parties are to field as many candidates as they like.

What people are wondering is if fielding more than one candidate gives an advantage or a disadvantage as it splits the first preference votes and means it takes longer down the process to gain a seat.

blowawayblonde · 07/05/2017 09:37

My understanding from page 15 and before of this thread, that the SNP particularly had "won" because they were shifty blighters who had fielded more candidates, and that this wasn't "fair"?

trixymalixy · 07/05/2017 09:39

What I thought when I looked at the Glasgow results was that the SNP must have been disappointed with 41% of the first preference vote in one of their "yes cities".

It will be interesting to see the overall results.

BelleTheSheepdog · 07/05/2017 09:40

Do you think you might be biased?

I mentioned the voting system as being not ideal for the voters to get their message across. Whatever their allegiances!

blowawayblonde · 07/05/2017 09:40

The system wasn't well explained, many many people went with an X or didn't understand how their preferences apply with the min vote "line".

I am futile in my search on MN for a policy centric thread, I will keep looking.

BelleTheSheepdog · 07/05/2017 09:42

Then there was a sideways move into multiple candidates and what that can lead to.

An obvious positive if you have one candidate like Tories usually did is you didn't lose votes where supporters put two or more crosses and no ranking of candidates.

BelleTheSheepdog · 07/05/2017 09:44

The thread was begun with a shout out to no voters.

There is a thread on STV that I would have been better posting on maybe.

WankersHacksandThieves · 07/05/2017 09:54

Well, the SNP are undoubtedly shifty bastards but I don't think that's what people were talking about. We were discussing the merits and demerits of fielding multiple candidates. My personal interest is the percentage votes cast for each party on a first preference basis. So that I can get a view on where the national psyche is and who really has done the best away from the crowing and headlines.

trixymalixy · 07/05/2017 09:58

I think you need to work on your reading comprehension.

The SNP were expected to massively increase their vote share, sweep the board, take control of Glasgow city and possibly other councils. Instead their vote stayed fairly flat, they lost overall control of Dundee and didn't gain control of Glasgow.

Yes they "won" in that they were the party that gained the most seats. Not seeing much celebrating going on though.

The real story is that the no vote is consolidating behind the Tories and hopefully will gain some seats from the SNP in the general election and make indyref2 less likely.

trixymalixy · 07/05/2017 10:00

I will crack open some champagne if Alex Salmond loses his seat. It would make my year.

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HamletsSister · 07/05/2017 10:08

Angus Robertson and Alec Salmond losing their seats would be a wonderful, wonderful moment.

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trixymalixy · 07/05/2017 11:12

I'll never forget the uncontained glee on salmond' face as the results of the eu referendum were coming in. It just confirmed to me that the SNP do not give a shit about the people of Scotland or being in the EU.

I hope to see the smugness wiped off his face againlike at the Scottish referendum.

NoLotteryWinYet · 07/05/2017 11:41

I agree, if they gave a shit they wouldn't have pushed the case so hard in the teeth of the current economic situation.

Nyx · 07/05/2017 12:30

"The SNP were expected to massively increase their vote share, sweep the board, take control of Glasgow city and possibly other councils. Instead their vote stayed fairly flat, they lost overall control of Dundee and didn't gain control of Glasgow.

Yes they "won" in that they were the party that gained the most seats. Not seeing much celebrating going on though.

The real story is that the no vote is consolidating behind the Tories and hopefully will gain some seats from the SNP in the general election and make indyref2 less likely."

You're not seeing much celebrating on the media anyway because the line is being fed to everyone that the SNP lost. Predictable but annoying. They didn't "win", they won. No inverted commas required.

The ones celebrating and patting themselves on the back now are the Orange Order. Lovely, that's just fantastic and I'm sure all you foaming unionists couldn't be more happy.

The SNP in partnership with other parties will probably lead must councils in Scotland.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 07/05/2017 12:33

The ones celebrating and patting themselves on the back now are the Orange Order. Lovely, that's just fantastic and I'm sure all you foaming unionists couldn't be more happy

Oh bore off with trying to paint Unionists as "foaming" and as supporters of the Orange Order. It is equally offensive and pathetic.

Nyx · 07/05/2017 12:36

You lot are absolutely of the opinion that it's the union at any cost, it seems.

Calyx72 · 07/05/2017 12:38

Wonder how those who voted thinking of the constitutional issue (because that's how Ruthie and the Orange Order campaigned) will enjoy trying to get the councils to do their day jobs Wink

Where are all my No-mates?
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/05/2017 12:43

What I thought when I looked at the Glasgow results was that the SNP must have been disappointed with 41% of the first preference vote in one of their "yes cities"

If you really want to use the council elections to determine support for indy Hmm you need to add on the Greens too....

NoLotteryWinYet · 07/05/2017 13:02

Where's my drum? I hadn't realised I was part of an orange order, I'm not even Protestant. If it's upsetting you to listen to less than glowing chat about the SNP you can hide the thread Nyx and Calyx

justnowords · 07/05/2017 13:06

look, we need to accept SNP lost. Torys won. With 276 seats against 431 who can argue with those numbers? SNP might as well give up now giving that they are the largest party in only 17 of the Councils. The Torys wiped the floor with the SNP being biggest in 6 Councils. Gaining more seats and votes are only a winner for the Tories. When SNP do it they are umm, losing. Got it.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 07/05/2017 13:09

Wonder how those who voted thinking of the constitutional issue (because that's how Ruthie and the Orange Order campaigned) will enjoy trying to get the councils to do their day jobs

Again bore off.

And "doing the day job" oh ha, ha, ha ad infinitum

Nyx · 07/05/2017 13:09

I'm not upset, thanks. I didn't mean to imply you were a member of the order either. I'm sure that all you no-voters (ie unionists) are delighted that the orange order is now vocally on your side. Because I believe that for you, it's the union at any cost. Even if it means that the OO are crowing in the mainstream media about having councillors elected.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 07/05/2017 13:12

Really Calyx I'm supposed to be impressed by the inane wittering of some nobody on twitter?

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