Getting increasingly annoyed by Scots who pronounce "ch" as "ck"

[Salmotrutta]

Yes, I know...in the grand scheme of things it's trivial.

But, it's intensely irritating to hear Scottish born and bred people talk about Auckterarder or Lock Lomond.

Just stop it! You're Scottish and you can say the "ch" sound!

Tulip the Irish for Lough is Loch. Lough is an Angelisation of Loch.

This shows the origin.

I have found my people

Cdtay : just had to check I hadn't posted that myself !
My dad always said braw bricht moonlicht nicht the nicht ..
And my mum always said ' It's awfy dreich out there a night not fit for man nor dog '

frightnews.com/index.php/2016/08/08/how-to-pronounce-the-15-most-difficult-scottish-place-names/

^^ This appeared on my FB earlier today. Brain bleach is now required.

Yes, just as I said, Here in Ireland it's spelt 'lough'

If I was I shit stirrer who hung around baby's names boards I'd say but what about Sorcha as a girl's name?

But I'm not and might have researched regional pronunciation both sides of the Irish Sea with linguistic experts.

Hirples - that link you posted proves my point nicely. It's a Scottish site and its wrong

Yes, just as I said, Here in Ireland it's spelt 'lough'

Oh yes that was what you said but here in Ireland that Lough is pronounced Lock so I don't think we'd agree on the price of sh!te.

I get so annoyed by people who say ck instead of ch for loch,broch etc. From scots it's inexcusable but for anyone really, who's lived here any length of time, make the effort Ffs.

Definitely don't say "lock" in the part of NI I've lived in.

but for anyone really, who's lived here any length of time, make the effort Ffs

TBF it's not that easy to do if you haven't been brought up to it. I seem to remember being corrected all the time in German at school for not being able to Do the soft "ch" I can do it now though

Well, exactly, Salmotrutto.

Bloopbleep, I had heard that the Scots "ch" sound is one (of many)* that if not learned in infancy cannot later be acquired, so I forgive furriners of every ilk, and appreciate it if they make an effort. For native born Scots of whatever ilk, there is no excuse.

*eg that African language that's all clicks, I believe you can't learn that as an adult either, though any infant can pick it up.

My Scottish born and bred teen tells me off for being too 'english' as I apparently can't pronounce loch properly...or Auchtermuchty....or a whole host of words.
I actually wind her up now by using my most 'correct' Southern English accent to (mis) pronounce Scottish words - I even sign songs like Katie Bairdie had a coo, Three craws, Coulter's candy -even the Skye boat song ...
I got an education with the train announcements/platform signs on a journey through Fife - apparently what I thought would be Lucas is spelt Leuchars and it is burnt island not as I had always thought burn tis land.
My current struggle is Kirkcaldy - I have got myself so confused about how it is pronounced I have three or four different versions and from what I can make out none is correct.... KIrk caldy, Kircoddy, Kirk coddy KirCaldy....

Ker-cod-dee?

My mum learnt "ch" when she was in her 20s. But she had a brilliant ear. So did my dad (also in his 20s) - but then as he also spoke Afrikaans, he had a head start

BTW - mum, coming from Durban, could speak some Zulu (one of the clicking languages). She tried to teach me to at least click (and pronounce Xhosa and N'Kosi Sikelele correctly) but without much success.

Unlucky83 - I presume after your years in Scotland, you're now ok with Milngavie?

If it's any consolation, when I first starting catching the train to St Andrews (via Leuchars ), I too thought it was Burn-Tis-Land not going to admit how long for

Is that right Oldie? If I think of it like that I should get it right - I'll practise it on her tomorrow and see if she is impressed
I have a friend who lives in Milngavie - luckily I never have to say it...
But actually thinking about it where I grew up (northern England) I remember two local places being mentioned on the news (years apart) and thinking for a second - I don't where that is. Then realising they separated out the syllables and locally we don't...don't want to say exactly but this kind of thing - Northampton being pronounced North Hampton.
I also used to know a tiny place in Cheshire (there was a restaurant/pub there) called 'Peover' - which I always called Pe-over (and thought was quite amusing) then found out it is in fact pronounced 'Peever' ...

A bit like "Strathaven". You do know that one, don't you?

I only learnt it a few years ago

Hawick separates the men from the boys, oh and surprisingly Duns.

Strachan in Aberdeenshire too.

Place names I can cope with. It's as a pp says 'I done it' I can't cope with. Also 'Yous' as in 'I'll meet you's at 7.30'.

I'm peeved with born Welsh people who can't pronounce "Ll" and call Llandudno Landudno.

Hanging's too good for them.

Is it a sort of combination of "FLL" and the Scottish "ch" then Unexpected?

I can "hear" Lynn Bowles from Radio 2 traffic saying it in my head and I'm trying to say it

Wankers, how is Duns pronounced? (Worried that I've been saying it wrong for 49 years )

Actually Hirples if you're still reading this thread you should consider telling who ever sent you that link on Facebook that the pronounciations listed there are wrong.

I couldn't get past the first page of that link because I hate having to click through 27 pages for a bloody list and both pronunciations on the first page were wrong.