To ask how Scottish Indyref1 NO voters are feeling about it today?

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I was just chatting with DH about the possibility of a second Indyref whilst watching the news and I wondered how those who voted no in 2014 are feeling now?

Cards on the table, for those who weren't on the Indyref threads, I was a strong no voter and campaigner last time. I work in financial services (have changed company since) and I had huge concerns about the impact on the economy of a No vote - all the issues around currency etc. I also found a lot of the campaign arguments very unconvincing and like we were being promised the moon which could never materialise.

I still feel that way about the last referendum. But I have to admit that watching the news today, seeing people proudly declaring they voted out because of immigrants...this isn't a country which currently reflects me. I still have massive concerns about the economy although it's a lot less clear cut given the likely turmoil over the next few years.

I'm well aware that an independent Scotland may have huge issues getting in to the EU btw, it's not so much about the EU membership but about feeling a bit less affinity with being 'British' today.

Looking like a leader?

No, she's looking like a shit stirring megalomaniac intent on further destabilising the country. I would have had more respect for her if she had sought to steady the ship and responded in a dignified and mature fashion - instead she's cried the usual 'Freedom' and responded with the threat of another referendum whilst we're all still reeling from the events of the last 4 years.

Politicians just don't seem to get that we're the ones affected while they and their egos pursue their dreams.

Yes but compared to the vacuum of leadership in England it's not hard to appear in control!!

It looks to me like the labour MPs are anticipating a potential general election and trying to maneuver to eject him for, I suspect, a much more centrist, probably Blair/Cameron style leader who will be not too contentious and broadly acceptable to a wide spectrum of the electorate - so that labour can campaign as a Remain party.

Could be wrong, but it's what I'd be doing in their position. Whilst Corbyn is popular with the labour party members he's utterly unelectable.

I don't agree that she seems 'in control' - she's spouting the same old nationalist guff and further destabilising the country with absolutely no facts or figures about how an indy Scotland would function. That's not 'in control' imo, that's just the predictable NS kneejerk reaction.

Now I quite like Nicola Sturgeon (as a politician, obviously I don't know her, lol)

But it's not exactly hard for her to be looking better than anyone else at the moment, the country is in chaos, the government are resigning, hiding or playing cricket, the opposition have descended into infighting and are trying their best to start a leadership challenge - at the worst possible time.

She's visible and acting vaguely like a leader, of course she's coming off well.

Hmmm. It appears she might have a point in some regards...

"The role of the devolved legislatures in implementing the withdrawal
agreement
70. We asked Sir David whether he thought the Scottish Parliament would have to give its consent to measures extinguishing the application of EU law in Scotland. He noted that such measures would entail amendment of section 29 of the Scotland Act 1998, which binds the Scottish Parliament to act in a manner compatible with EU law, and he therefore believed that the Scottish Parliament’s consent would be required. He could envisage certain political advantages being drawn from not giving consent."

from this report

Whether this would be sufficient to act as an overall veto or what impact it would have, I don't know.

I think Westminster would be happy to allow Nicola to block this.

Yes, I'm sure they would. There are a number of tactics they could all use - time to work together.

Whatever your view on the outcome of the referendum, we still live in a democracy. The idea that our leaders would 'work together' to block a mandate from the electorate is scary.

It's scary in one respect , but on the other it may reflect their understanding of the sheer depth of the lies that have been told to the electorate. I think disentangling from the EU is going to be incredibly complex, probably screw our economy monumentally and in the end won't deliver what those who voted exit appear to have been largely hoping for;
-there will be no extra money for the NHS because it was never a true value and any excess will be swallowed up by recession and the costs of separation;
-we're not going to regain democracy because we are almost inevitably going to end up in the EEA where we'll still have to comply with EU laws but with no influence on them;
-for the same reason we won't be able to control immigration because the only way to keep our country functioning will be a Norway or Switzerland style deal;
-those who thought it would help the disenfranchised working classes, generate jobs for them etc, will find they were dreaming. There's a lot of crowing about people not caring about it hurting the "rich London types" and "middle classes" but if the middle classes lose their jobs then all that will happen is that firstly they'll tighten their belts and there will be less demand for goods and services, and secondly there will be more highly qualified and experienced people applying for lower paid jobs - so those same people who found themselves squeezed by immigrants will now just find themselves squeezed by other Brits too.

All that said - I strong suspect that this posturing from Sturgeon may be her beginning the process of posturing for consent for another independence referendum. She needs the consent of Westminster to hold another.

I voted yes (very last minute decision) and Remain.

Given the choice again, I would vote yes much more decisively.

It's a shame about JC, I'd be more likely to vote him as PM than any of the alternatives, for all that he's a not-so-secret Brexiter.

As for Wee Nic, she's just throwing everything at the wall just now in hopes something will stick.

Don't underestimate Sturgeon. She would have an independence referendum with or without Westminster's consent.

we're not going to regain democracy because we are almost inevitably going to end up in the EEA where we'll still have to comply with EU laws but with no influence on them;

We may have to meet regulations to trade with them (as per anywhere else we want to trade with), but Westminster will now be 'sovereign' so in that respect we will control our democracy.

Obviously, there are cons to Brexiting. But denial of any pros is probably also going to get us nowhere and more seriously could do additional unnecessary damage.

If 59% is really the poll result this weekend then I think it's a total non-starter. I was a complete no and even I have wavered this weekend. The questions over the economy, currency, European membership, and our relationship with the rest of UK have made me swing round to thinking a yes vote would be suacidal. Our trade deficit at the moment means we wouldn't be accepted into the Euro club anyway. It would be a case of cutting off our nose to spite our face. Doing exactly the same as the 17m uk voters who voted out.

How on earth can anyone say how they would vote in a Scottish indy ref at this stage (well, apart from the nationalists who would vote yes come hell or high water)? There are far too many unknowns - more so than there were 2 years ago.

The idea that our leaders would 'work together' to block a mandate from the electorate is scary

No, what's scary is that less than 2% of voters have swayed this - with many of them not truly understanding what leaving the EU means.

Just signing in, if that's ok. I was a No in the first referendum, a remain, and would, at this point, vote No again in a second independence ref.

Whilst I can understand the Scottish electorate feeling disempowered, I think it would be utter madness to have a referendum before the terms of an EU exit are negotiated. So many unknowns and so much uncertainty. Only a leader who wanted independence at any cost would set that in motion. Oh wait ...

Agreed Sir. I think the hardcore unionist vote has probably contracted a fair amount though - I'd say there are probably more voters up for grabs this time round, but it will depend so hugely on the economy. White wish lists aren't going to wash.

I'm fairly sure one poster on MN not see g many advantages to Brexit isn't going to do damage to anyone or anything. I don't see some massive democratic gains from exiting, that's all

The Herald Poll had the "yes" vote at 79% last time I checked.

Where's that poll? I can only see the 59% one.

Oh FGs the herald is an online poll will be a self selecting group and will be in no way representative of the Scottish population.

I voted a resounding no in the first Indyref because Salmond's campaign was utter bullshit, based heavily on the oil industry. Having a husband in the industry I knew how unstable it was and the figures being punted were fantastical at best. If there is a second Indyref I will watch with interest to see what the campaigns come up with this time. I can't say yes or no yet. I think Nicola is more credible than her predecessor. FWIW I voted remain in the referendum.

I think there's is no other bloody option now. I'd vote Yes. I did before but was happy to accept indyref result. But I will be supporting indyref2 now

How can you say that you will support (or conversely, not support) indy2 without any facts or figures to support your decision. I just don't get that at all