To ask how Scottish Indyref1 NO voters are feeling about it today?

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I was just chatting with DH about the possibility of a second Indyref whilst watching the news and I wondered how those who voted no in 2014 are feeling now?

Cards on the table, for those who weren't on the Indyref threads, I was a strong no voter and campaigner last time. I work in financial services (have changed company since) and I had huge concerns about the impact on the economy of a No vote - all the issues around currency etc. I also found a lot of the campaign arguments very unconvincing and like we were being promised the moon which could never materialise.

I still feel that way about the last referendum. But I have to admit that watching the news today, seeing people proudly declaring they voted out because of immigrants...this isn't a country which currently reflects me. I still have massive concerns about the economy although it's a lot less clear cut given the likely turmoil over the next few years.

I'm well aware that an independent Scotland may have huge issues getting in to the EU btw, it's not so much about the EU membership but about feeling a bit less affinity with being 'British' today.

I was polled & I said yes

At SirChenjin, I remember you and I and rooners trying to hold down the fort in 2014 too. I've namechanged since then and haven't seen roonerspism around either.

roonerspism is around, I was chatting to her on another thread recently.

Here's another poll done on Friday when emotions were running high. If 52% is the best they can do then it's not going to be as easy as Nicoka thinks. Bear in mind this polling company also overestimated the yes vote at the actual referendum. Although can we place any faith in polls anymore?

I voted No and voted Remain. I think I'd still vote No - but it would very much depend on the question and the situation around it. If we faced being out of the UK and the EU I would vote No, and I think we'd have to know what we were voting on. On Thursday we appear to have voted for something that nobody in the Leave campaign has planned for.

On the other hand, yesterday I said to DH semi-joking that if Nicola Sturgeon can get a federalism deal with Scotland, NI and London as a city state I would vote for it I a heartbeat. I doubt it is possible, but I would.

Well done David Cameron - you sold Scottish No voters down the river with your grandstanding on 19/09/14, and now you've split the country over a Tory leadership challenge.

I think there's clearly something off with the polling company methodologies - they're obviously not getting the samples right in terms of representing the mix of people who are actually turning out to vote.

Oh by the way we finally got the flat on the market. Epic timing. Hope people view this afternoon - SIL is terrified her house sale is going to fall through and her husband is going to lose his job. I'm still working at the same place - our shares are down 17% and there's talk of jobs moving. DH and I voted the same way this time at least.

How are you? I've seen posters up which I think are for your business, hope that's going well.

For those criticising NS, at least she's visible and at least she's planning. Tories and Labour seem to be imploding.

Oh that is epic timing isn't it! I've moved employers since last time, my old employer has taken a hammering though. New place is a bit different and it's really hard to judge how it will go for us, we're really multinational in terms of what the work force looks like and ease of travel is very important but I think we're probably a bit less vulnerable than the big banks and FS companies.

Business - it's expanding (hence the posters!) but it's a scary time, we kind of had to expand now but if the Edinburgh economy tanks then we'll be screwed as people don't need our service if they don't have jobs!

For those criticising NS, at least she's visible and at least she's planning. Tories and Labour seem to be imploding

OK I'll concede her that.

We all met on the Indyref threads and it is good to see you back, especially StatC whose analysis and clear arguments carried me through many a debate.

Why, oh, why? Absolutely gutted that we are going to go through all this again, and not sure I have it in me to campaign again. It makes me so upset.

I was on indyref threads too but have changed names since then.

Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could veto Brexit - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

I think there is a lot to be said for Parliament not invoking article 50. The referendum was advisory. It is not in the national interest to act on it.

I find the thought of doing this all over again utterly exhausting, the divisiveness of the last referendum was horrible and much as I love numbers and analysis it got rather tiring having to dig in to every bloody work which came out of a politicians mouth to try and find the true story. If anything I think Brexit was even worse for that, and I think having been through indyref scots were maybe a bit more cynical

Guess it's time to start reading lots of political stuff again. And maybe learning a foreign language...

Anyone seen the latest from Sturgeon? She's suggesting that legislation to extricate the UK from the EU may have to be approved by the Scottish Parliament in some form and that if it was she would block it.

This could get very messy!

Agree. Not a NS sturgeon fan, but at least she is looking like a leader while all the rest are flapping about like headless chickens.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

xposted with lass

I think Sturgeon is an opportunist. Scotland quite simply can't remain in Europe whilst the rest of the U.K. Withdraws. Scotland would leave with the U.K. and have to find its way back. To say they will hold a vote in the next two years before it is even clear what the situation will be with Europe just shows how little she respects the voters. Apart from anything else shouldn't Scotland be concentrating on ensuring it gets the best deal possible out of brexit during this time?

I also hope she isn't allowed a biased yes/no question this time (unless she switches it round so she has to campaign for the negative this time).

If she blocks brexit though doesn't she then effectively negate the requirement for indyref2?

If she managed to block it then yes, she would remove the need for indyref. But I'm genuinely not convinced that she would want to hold one just now. She has a country which is referendum weary, facing massive economic uncertainty and the economic arguments which were weak last time are even worse since oil tanked.

I don't know if she has any sort of valid point about EU exit requiring Scottish Parliament assent - I can't find anything to suggest it's correct and the EU itself is a reserved matter but it wouldn't surprise me if there are more complex sub-elements which would be required and which could be vetoed and cause problems.

I voted no in the first independence referendum, voted remain (admittedly in part to stop another Indy ref) and would vote no again tomorrow to Indy ref 2.

Nicola sturgeon said the uk can't function on its own so I would love to know how she thinks Scotland can. Too many unanswered questions for me to vote yes.

Id love to link all my English fb friends to this thread. The ones who are having wet dreams about moving to Scotland and having Nicola sturgeon as their leader.

It really really fucks me off. There are lots of people who lived through indyref1 who legitimately love sturgeon and plenty who don't - but if you didn't live in Scotland through that god awful time, please stop telling me how lucky I am

Oh god I know. I mean, credit where it is due at least she's visible and doing something which could, potentially, be constructive (if she's actually talking to the EU), unlikely the rest of them who seem to be collectively in hiding but she's far from awesome.

She manages to come off well, she's a good speaker in general and she's grown in to her role and I think comes off better out of the shadow of Salmond. But it's not especially hard to look like a star when the PM hasn't been seen since Friday, Boris and Gove look like they've caught the flaming turd and are frantically passing it back and forth, Gideon is so quiet that people are putting up missing posters, and the parliamentary labour party is completely imploding. Against that lot you don't have to do much to look good.

Oh dear. I actually laughed out loud at SC's "state of the nation" summing up. I literally am in the don't know whether to laugh or cry zone today. I think I'll go in to the garden and read some zombie apocalypse fiction.

Actually, just remembered the last part of Justin Cronin's vampire apocalypse trilogy was published this week- might even have been on the 23rd.