Brexit - would Scots mnetters vote to leave the UK following a fresh referendum post Brexit

[lavenderdoilly]

Hi, if Brexit happens (I'm for Remain) a fresh independence referendum for Scotland seems likely. Would Scots mnetters be more likely to vote for independence with the prospect of EU membership?

[Alice1209]

Isn't this a thread asking Scottish people about brexit? If your not Scottish why are you throwing your opinions in.

[OneMagnumisneverenough]

If who isn't Scottish? What the actual fuck are you on Alice?

By the way if you are addressing a post at someone, at least have the curtesy to actually address them in the post - we still don't know who you are insulting bumping your gums at.

[OneMagnumisneverenough]

It wasn't the bankers that were being rescued, it was the Banks. You know the thing you get you money paid into and which employs vast amounts of people who need to keep a roof over their head and food on the table and raise their children and who pay tax and into a pension etc etc.

[DailyMailEthicalFail]

Alice as you are taking up my comment about the Bank of Scotland I assume that it is my nationality you are questioning.

Please confirm?

[Alice1209]

Wow look at you lot only people who have commented on my opinion is every one of you. To criticise me for being pro independence is pathetic. I commented originally on the person who said the Scottish Parliament should be dumped and that it was full of young idealists with no common sense. Suddenly you are all jumping down my neck when I didn't even read half the comments posted after that. My point is all of you are quick to point out the current government and SNP but have nothing to say about the parties you vote for. Secondly I will stick to my original comments that for me the Scottish government is no worse than Westminster and incredibly people appear to have good things to say about it or remain neutral on the matter. Maybe people enjoy constant moaning.

[OneMagnumisneverenough]

Alice seems to be new or recently name changed. Hasn't clicked on that the reason people are so hacked off is racist Yessers with no ability to think beyond what "our leader" dictates they should think. Who wants Scotland to become some wee parochial racist impoverished backwater? Does wanting to stay in the EU make you any less Scottish Alice? Well wanting to stay in the UK doesn't make anyone less Scottish either.

Campaigning to stay in Europe but wanting to be out of the UK makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Why are people buying this shite?

[weegiemum]

I'm voting to remain.

I think its too soon for another referendum on Scotland in the uk.

But if it happens (which I hope it doesn't), and I think it will only happen if Brexit wins, then I'll vote for independence. I know I'll get shouted down, its the in thing to hate the SNP, but I'd rather be part of Europe than part of the UK.

[OneMagnumisneverenough]

Maybe it would help if you did actually read the posts Alice before jumping in with both feet. No-one has a clue who you are talking to, what point you are trying to make but you are slinging round insults at all and sundry.

People are jumping on your points because they don't make any sense, we don't know who you are addressing and they are downright inflammatory

We have all been on this thread and many others and most of the posters who've bothered to read the other posts on the threads are pretty aware what the position is.

Lets start again. I wouldn't vote for SNP as I am a socialist and whilst SNP make noises about it, they truly aren't. To be honest I'm struggling to find a party that I do believe in as they seem to have lost their way. i would traditionally be a Labour supporter so in the absence of an alternative, I'll continue to vote for them. I am not interested in independence at the moment because it makes no sense economically or otherwise. I don't want to live in an SNP dictatorship. I am sick of them nor honoring the democratic vote to stay in and not making any effort to run the country and use the powers they have. I am sick of their lies and betrayals and sick of rampant yessers who decide that because I don't love Nicola then I am somehow less Scottish. All the SNP have done is create division and anger.

So, why do you think it;s a good idea to be independant, what do you love about the SNP and Scotland and why is it a good idea to be out of the UK and in the EU?

[Y0uCann0tBeSer10us]

I'd rather be part of Europe than part of the UK.

Why? I'm not picking a fight, I genuinely don't understand. It seems to me that Scotland has more historical, cultural, financial and family ties with the UK than the rest of Europe, so why would you prefer to leave the UK to rejoin Europe?

[Y0uCann0tBeSer10us]

I wouldn't vote for SNP as I am a socialist and whilst SNP make noises about it, they truly aren't. To be honest I'm struggling to find a party that I do believe in as they seem to have lost their way. i would traditionally be a Labour supporter so in the absence of an alternative, I'll continue to vote for them. I am not interested in independence at the moment because it makes no sense economically or otherwise. I don't want to live in an SNP dictatorship. I am sick of them nor honoring the democratic vote to stay in and not making any effort to run the country and use the powers they have. I am sick of their lies and betrayals and sick of rampant yessers who decide that because I don't love Nicola then I am somehow less Scottish. All the SNP have done is create division and anger.

Totally agree with this. I honestly don't know how the SNP have gotten away with it for so long, but I think the tide may be turning. Even people who were previously strong supporters are saying it's a good thing they've been reigned in a bit. I thought Nicola Sturgeon sounded a more than a little defensive in her last speech so maybe she senses it too!

[flippinada]

I voted no in 2014 and would again. I'd like to stay in the EU.

I'm not completely opposed to independence but I don't think now is the right time to do it and, like others, I have a fundamental distrust of the SNP.

[mollie123]

not nit picking at all BUT alice it was not the Tories who bailed out the Banks - this happened with a certain GB in charge in 2008

A bank rescue package totalling some £500 billion (approximately $850 billion) was announced by the British government on 8 October 2008, as a response to the ongoing global financial crisis.

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

Isn't this a thread asking Scottish people about brexit? If your not Scottish why are you throwing your opinions in.

What nonsense. Anyone and everyone who lives in Scotland is entitled to have an opinion on this . Actually anyone and everyone who lives in the UK is entitled to have an opinion on this.

[MrsMushrooms]

No way. I want to stay in the away & in the UK, but if the UK leaves then Independence won't allow us to keep our spot in the EU.

I'd rather keep our place in the UK outside of the EU than be in NEITHER Union trying to fight to get back in the EU against the many barriers to entry.

[MrsMushrooms]

Oops, autocorrect! I mean I want to stay in the EU & in the UK*.

[trixymalixy]

Lass, it's that nasty anti English element to Scottish nationalism that they claim doesn't exist coming through there.

[OneMagnumisneverenough]

My title probably didn't help to be fair, I should have said Mnetters living in Scotland rather than Scots Mnetters - my bad.

I wasn't excluding people who aren't native Scots, I was just being generic but using the wrong term. . I personally deem anyone who chooses to live here as Scottish by default - no matter which cricket team they choose to support .

[prettybird]

FWIW I wasn't born in Scotland (arrived here when I was 3, so a looooong time ago ) but consider myself to be Scottish.

[Whisky2014]

No, I voted Yes in the independence referendum. I thought I was a Leave for the EU referendum but I am now on the fence again.
If we do leave I wouldn't want another Scottish independence vote. If we got it, id vote No.

[Feeches]

I'm no fan of the SNP but to suggest that they're some sort of evil dictatorship (46.5% vote 2016) whilst the Westminster Govt respect democracy (36.9 % vote 2015 plus numerous allegations of possible election fraud to boot) then you're as deluded as some of the SNP fantasists you ridicule.

Back on topic, I was a hesitant Yes in 2014, remain in EU, on the fence re Indyref2 if it happens. I'm a bit flakey me but there's one thing I'll never waver on: My hatred for the fucking tories. Ruth can fuck right off with her cuddly tory act. Self serving arseholes, the lot of them.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

What I really , really hope is that England votes to leave by a tiny margin but that aScotland votes stay in large enough numbers that the whole of the UK is stay

Don't know how folk can possibly describe SNP as a dictatorship - there are several other parties in the parliament and AFAIK the elections were fair? I don't recall lpeople saying Labour were a dictatorship when they had msot of the seats?

And as for being racist - where does that idea come from?

[flippinada]

I don't think anyone has suggested that the SNP is a dictatorship, or that the elections were unfair - and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks that the UK government is a paragon of democratic virtue.

It really does get tiresome to read all this wide-eyed stuff about racism. There is an element of it in Scottish Nationalism. It may not be overt but it is there.

[howabout]

What bothers me a bit is all the complaining about the SNP not making full use of devolution as it stands. One of the reasons I would hesitate to vote for Scottish Labour in Scottish government elections is that I was so scunnered with them blithely following the Blair Tory party line when they were in charge.

Also I think there is a lot of naivety about how much autonomy Scotland really has with or without Smith / Independence and the EU.

I do not want Ruth in charge but with 25%? of the vote I don't think even she could be claiming a mandate any time soon.

I am hoping for constructive opposition from RD and KD though as I agree that is a good thing.

If I really thought for one moment Scotland or the SNP was or ever has been made up of one race then I might take assertions of racism more seriously

I am Brexit and have no great conviction either way on Indy 2.

[flippinada]

Well, what would you call being told to "fuck off back to England" then?

Perhaps anyone on the receiving end of this should simply lighten up or not be so sensitive.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Well, what would you call being told to "fuck off back to England" then

Bigotry. "English" is not a race.

I'm (obviously) English btw and have never experienced any anti-English sentiment ; I don't htink I've even seen it on social media though I'm sure there is some. I think people's ire tends to be reserved for the denizens of the Westminster parliament, not the English in general.