Brexit - would Scots mnetters vote to leave the UK following a fresh referendum post Brexit

[lavenderdoilly]

Hi, if Brexit happens (I'm for Remain) a fresh independence referendum for Scotland seems likely. Would Scots mnetters be more likely to vote for independence with the prospect of EU membership?

[tilliebob]

NS did that awful fake laugh thing that filled in some time but was totally not a real laugh

[LunaLoveg00d]

Gary Tank Commander is a GENIUS. The full thing is on BBC2 on Monday. Saw the clip of Kezia saying "I'm not a fan of Willie" and almost died laughing, they were very funny together. (And I'm not a labour voter). Ruth Davidson looks like she'd be a laugh too, that Green bloke and Willie Rennie are too earnest and serious. And Nicola Sturgeon doesn't let the politician facade slip, ever.

[OneMagnumisneverenough]

I've not managed to find lib dems and green yet. I'll need to go have another look.

[DailyMailEthicalFail]

I voted NO in the IndyRef and I would vote NO again.

I would vote Leave Europe.

[cdtaylornats]

There is no logic to her position. In the Indyref she was advocating we leave the UK which would have meant an exit from the EU. Having campaigned for effectively an EU exit she now wants an Indyref if she gets part of what she campaigned for.

Salmond thinks we should have an Indyref if Boris is PM.

I want a referendum to dump the Scottish Parliament.

[Alice1209]

I'm pro-independence and I am voting to remain in the EU. I feel the benefits outweigh the negatives. Although there are plenty of reasons to vote out! Also find it incredible how many people criticise the Scottish government when in my eyes we are a damn sight better than the UK government and I would rather hear "idealists" as someone called it than middle aged men who have no connection with the real world and endlessly claim they have no money to fund public services. But they always have money for wars, bank bailouts etc. I think our PR system works and I also think we have variety. If I lived in England I probably wouldn't vote at all.

[cdtaylornats]

The Scottish government has been a litany of public service failures.

[Alice1209]

Well you do think the Scottish government should be dumped...

[rombri]

Here's Gove's opinion:

stv.tv/news/politics/1353357-scotland-will-vote-to-leave-eu-claims-michael-gove/

[trixymalixy]

It would be interesting if Scotland vote out and the rest of the U.K. vote in. Although I guess they might call that a trigger for another referendum too!!

[DailyMailEthicalFail]

Alice1209

The biggest Bank bailout by far was the Bank of England bailing out the Bank of Scotland.
Nearly 46 BILLION in Cash was poured into BoS by BoE.
A total of 464 billion was 'made available' in total, inc cash, shares, drawdown and other financial methods.

Those 'middle aged men in Westminster' were quite handy for that, weren't they?
I appreciate they didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts, but because the BoS was 'too big to let it fail' but nevertheless the money was bunged over and BoS benefitted hugely, and job losses were far less than they might have been.

Westminster has a litany of public service failures.
So does Holyrood.

They are ALL self serving egos who grab all they can at every opportunity.

[OneMagnumisneverenough]

I'm getting to the point that despite Scotland being my home and the place I'd want to stay, if there is another indyref I might go and claim asylum in Keswick.

[Alice1209]

I don't waste my time arguing with people who hate their own country.

[OneMagnumisneverenough]

Good for you Alice I actually love my country, I am just sick to the back teeth of it being populated and run by arseholes. I'm not saying the UK government are any better but they aren't pretending they aren't arseholes and they are going by democracy.

[rombri]

That's the genius of the SNP: managing to create a society where those who criticise their governance and policies can be cast as people who "hate their country". There is nothing laudable about that.

I originally come from a country which had totalitarian rule by classic despots. Anyone who criticised that government was described and derided as an "enemy of the state". It totally fucked the country.

It's a short walk between 'people who hate their country' and 'enemy of the state', and I am continuously staggered that people living in a modern democracy fail to see that that attitude is ugly.

What you just did there Alice, is against the basic principles of democracy, and actually quite despicable. It will destroy Scotland.

[OneMagnumisneverenough]

Better put than me Rombri. I got abuse (on another thread) for suggesting that it's starting to resemble a dictatorship here, but it is.

Over interference in peoples lives
Educating only about the country you live in
Racist behaviours
Ignoring democracy
presenting a misleading picture to the populace
and now we have enemy of the state to add to the list.

[DailyMailEthicalFail]

I don't hate Scotland, or England (or Ireland or Wales).

I don't know if it was my (badly worded) post that was being referred to?

[OneMagnumisneverenough]

Who knows daily I was assuming it was me. maybe Alice will enlighten us as soon as she gets back from obtaining our real identities and reporting us to the thought police/oor leader.

[DailyMailEthicalFail]

I am happy to accept that my post was badly put. Or badly researched (ie plain wrong!).. Or that someone thinks I am a twunt for my opinions.
Or that my grasp of economics / the banking system is kindergarten level (correct, I think...)

But 'hate my own country'? Nah.
(anyway, as you say Magnum how would Alice know where I am from / live anyway?)

all v strange

[OneMagnumisneverenough]

I got what you meant daily. In that yes, there seem to be money for bail outs and wars etc but actually some of that bail out was to save Scottish banks and jobs which had we not been part of the UK would have been allowed to collapse, taking jobs, pensions etc with it.

If any government didn't keep monetary reserves for a "rainy day" then we'd soon have something to say about it..

[Y0uCann0tBeSer10us]

Nope, not more likely to vote for independence after Brexit. I think the case was very weak in 2014 (voted No), and it's even weaker now, and being in Europe is not important enough to me to risk coming out of the UK. That would be assuming we could even get back in under the same terms, which is very unlikely.

Also the last few years under the SNP have made me very uncomfortable on a number of fronts (badly written legislation pushed through, no accountability, massaging of figures and outright lies to mislead the populus, trying to make themselves synonymous with 'Scotland' to squash criticism...), and the thought of them having completely free reign (which they would have initially at least) makes me shudder!

[trixymalixy]

Is "hating your country" the new "scaremongering"? i.e. I have no answer to your perfectly valid point/question.

Has the wooing started yet?

[OneMagnumisneverenough]

Has the wooing started yet?

Well it said in the summer I think so looks like that might be this week :)

I'm not feeling the woo yet either.

[Alice1209]

I'm not sure why u think anyone cares if u go and live in Keswick

[Alice1209]

As for the banks my point is the bankers should have been jailed not rescued. But that's the tories for you. I wasn't saying SNP would have done any better and being pro independent doesn't automatically make you pro SNP for everybody taking their time out to bitch to me about the SNP. You have your opinion I have mine.