If you said The Lord's Prayer at school in the '70s...

[AgentProvocateur]

Apart from weddings and funerals, I am not a churchgoer, but I was at a service today and the Lord's Prayer was said. Now, I've not said it since primary school, but it came flooding back, except I said "Forgive us our debts" as the rest of the congregation said "Forgive us our trespasses". Has it changed over the years, or was my primary school out of line with everyone else?

[legohurtswhenyoustandonit]

Debts and debtors at school in the 1980s. Also at the CofS church service yesterday morning. Must be a very Scottish thing. I quite like that little separate bit of our identity.

[AgentProvocateur]

Inmyheadimthequeen, I was so thrown by the debtors / trespasses thing, I didn't carry on to the end of the prayer!

This has been an interesting thread. I'm glad I started it.

[legohurtswhenyoustandonit]

Just asked the kids if they knew it. DS1 did - complete with thy, thine and debts and debtors. DS2 didn't have a clue.

[Dreamiesrcatopium]

Our school mixed up sins and trespassers "forgive us our sins and those who tresspass against us" Catholic convent school 80's-90's

[WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeG0es]

Always said it as Wickedlazy says. The debts version throws me.

[inmyheadimthequeen]

OP!!

[prettybird]

That's the one babyboomer - I much prefer it to "Silent Night" and think it scans better and is closer to the German original.

"Still the night, holy the night
Sleeps the world, hid from sight
Mary and Joseph in stable bare,
Watch o'er the child, beloved and fair,
Sleeping in heavenly rest
Sleeping in heavenly rest"

[RueDeWakening]

We say "forgive us our sins" now, I grew up saying trespasses and it always throws me off. We say "the kingdom, the power and the glory are yours..." too, which I get wrong every bloody week.

[shouldwestayorshouldwego]

RC tend to end at 'deliver us from evil. Amen' whereas CofE add a doxology For thine is the power the glory and honour for ever and ever Amen. In the RC they still have a doxology but the priest says something else first. I go to both RC and CofE so have to try to remember where I am as to which version to use! CofE is more ingrained though and I think both use trespass but maybe that is just what I was brough up with.

[Redglitter]

It was always debts when we did the Lords Prayer at school too. That was in both the West and East of Scotland

[IguanaTail]

I think we said
Our Father, which art in heaven

??? Would that be right

[DPotter]

Trespasses at the 2 schools I went to and every other church service I been to since - RC & CoE

[FishWithABicycle]

Church I go to now, it's trespasses.
When I lived in scotland for a few years it was debts at the local baptist church.
CofE church growing up in the 80s it was sins (and trespassers would be persecuted)

[SenecaFalls]

In US Presbyterian churches, most of which have Scottish antecedents, it is traditionally "debts and debtors." Other churches traditionally say "trepasses," now more commonly "sins."

[PollyPerseid]

Debts and debtors - west of Scotland 60's/70's for me. And I still say in in CofE now and then I'm out of synch with everyone else.

[derxa]

"Still the night, holy the night
Sleeps the world, hid from sight
Mary and Joseph in stable bare,
Watch o'er the child, beloved and fair,
Sleeping in heavenly rest
Sleeping in heavenly rest"

that's made tear up for some reason

[MadGhostlyGnome]

Mine was a mix:

'Forgive us our debts, as we forgive those who trespass against us'

Church of Scotland (I think?!), late 90s

[OOAOML]

I think it was debts at school (Church of Scotland minister doing regular services) but I also went to some Episcopal services where I think it was trespasses. And now I have the two very mixed up in my mind, but as I go to church pretty much once a year when I take my daughter to the remembrance service with the Guides it isn't a problem (plus they print the words out in a service leaflet).

I'm sure we also had 'for thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory' should

[Groovee]

Debts and debtors in Edinburgh.

[babyboomersrock]

I think we said
Our Father, which art in heaven

??? Would that be right

Yes, that's what we said too.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Hmm, I'm sure we said

Our father who art in heaven....

[EvansOvalPiesYumYum]

When I attended a Catholic school, it was 'who art', and then I changed to a CofE school, where it was 'which art' and also had the final verse of 'For Thine is the Power and the Glory' etc.

[Branleuse]

I was at school in the 80s and we said forgive us our trespasses

[babyboomersrock]

Hmm, I'm sure we said

Our father who art in heaven....

You probably did, ItsAll. But I'm ancient

[3point14159265359]

Debts and debtors for me, trespasses and those who trespass against us for DH. Which is clearly wrong.

It doesn't even scan.