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Really long one about my DM (handhold please) **Content warning - domestic violence**

128 replies

Oversharingnamechanged · 29/07/2023 11:11

Hello, I'll try to keep this as brief as I can and even then it'll be long. I've cried writing this so please no picking at my spelling and grammar errors. I'm dyslexic and not as articulate as I'd like to be.

I also want to say before you do read I'm going to mention DV/SA/Child abuse, so please don't read anymore if this heavy stuff will upset you.

deep breath

My mother is in many ways wonderful, not the most empathic person but I love her.

My upbringing was however awful from years of extreme DV from my father, she was literally his daily punchbag, he verbally/mentally/sexually abused her and I almost saw her die at his hands from being strangled. He was verbally very abusive to me, but also sexually at times. He also had a friend from the pub who would sexually abuse me up until I was about 5. They were all alcoholics and this man would create fights between them to take me to bed. The worst memory I have is him asking me to season a dinner my mother made him, I kept asking, "enough?" And he said he'd tell me when. Once the chips had been drowned in salt and vinegar he called my dad into the living room and explained I'd purposely destroyed his meal, my father started kicking and punching my poor mother in a frenzy, so this monster could look like a hero by taking me to bed.

He'd also start fights when I wasn't there, I believe this sick bastard enjoyed watching my poor mother be beaten. Once he laughed and said, "how embarrassing" to her when she had a broken cheekbone and nose. He died when I was still too young to disclose what he did, but weirdly he went on to have a daughter he named my name, creepy fuck.

After years of abuse I finally decided in my teens after a ferocious attack on me from my father I was leaving. I had seen so much violence, begged her to leave since I was able to talk, I just couldn't do it anymore.

Now this is where it becomes hard between mum and I. I had survivors guilt my beatings weren't as severe as hers etc, but also, she would gaslight me throughout childhood saying she had to stay because I needed a dad.

I'd pray for him to die. I'd fantasise about killing him. If my mother would try and sleep in my bed for safety with me he would drag her out and beat and rape her.

He'd spit at or on us both. But still she was adamant it was me who needed a dad. When I was in my preteens I found our PC was riddled with child abuse images, one in particular I still get flashbacks seeing. I remember snooping how it was on there and He'd specifically searched a phrase that would bring up CSA images.

He'd threaten to kill us. He'd kick the living fuck out of our poor lovely dog.

But my whole life I was told by my mother I was the reason she was not leaving.

Sadly, we even had places to go. She just wouldn't leave. I understand the fear, but she also didn't want to be without him. She still maintains they had good times. I just must have not been privy to those since every good time I can remember then turned to them drinking and mother getting beaten up or worse.

Once I left at 14 after years of unexplained hospital admissions, years of things such as being ND missed, years of being made to lie and gaslit etc, years of living in poverty whilst they drank and smoked excessively. Years of being made to look on the outside like I was simply this weird, stupid, withdrawn idiot, it took me until I had my first DC at 19 to even remotely recover.

I got a job and a home, my mother stayed with her parents who she frankly terrified with her moodiness and unpleasant behaviour and entitlement towards their home and food etc, she never paid a penny towards a bill.

During my early years of motherhood she was cruel to me, basically projecting I was a shit mum, telling me constantly "I was just behaving like a sister". I had a fucking mortgage, full time job, I paid for childcare, we had days out, we baked, cooked, played, we had clean and calm surroundings, my DS is the loveliest kid I've ever known. I worked my arse off to get us living in an area with outstanding schools, for a single mother who left school at 13, with ND and trauma, I did fucking good. Messed up along the way, got into debts etc, but my boy is the loveliest person I know. She Once told her friends, "if I didn't like how she was looking after DGS, I'd take him off her and she'd not see him again", I was there. I've never been hurt so badly, so you're telling me you'd remove my son because you don't like my parenting when you'd let random men from your abusive alcoholic boyfriend put your toddler to bed? OK mum. Thanks.

Recent years the trauma of her life with him has set in and she became so dependent on me, but in a cruel way. She'd piss all over my boundaries and cry hysterically they'd been put in place.

I'd taken on a role of carer for my DGM, her mother, who lived with us 24/7. This included toileting her, helping her dress, every meal/snack/drink for her.

She wasn't an easy woman but I loved her and she wasn't someone who belonged in a nursing home, she was too rude to people, truth be told.

During this time I also had 2 children under 3 and it was the first lockdown, my DH still worked most days as a keyworker.

The only time to myself I had in 7 days over 24 hours was a Saturday morning. DH wasn't at work, so he'd get up and sort breakfast for gran and our DC, allowing me to have some sleep, (I was still night feeding our youngest) or have a bath and just relax. My mother truly begrudged me this, now I see this reads as silly, but please understand we have a very odd relationship. Mother had DH's number obviously and her mother's, but instead would call me 7 plus times, as she felt I was taking the piss out of DH on a Saturday morning. If I didn't pick up she'd pop round and create murder until I was out of the bath and dressed.

This became so unfair that during one of her doctors appointments I attended with her I began to cry, saying I could do 6 and a half days a week, night or day, but i just wanted some time not to be making drinks or breakfast (I obviously would get up and take my gran the toilet and get her washed and dressed prior to going off for a soak and podcast, that wasn't ever an issue!) Anyway, her doctor said to her, "DM, your DD is caring for 3 DC and your DM, why on earth are you sabotaging the one break a week she gets? Why is it so upsetting for you that she has 2 hours of time to paint her nails?" And mother cried, "nobody would have given me this time!" And stormed out. I apologised to doctor and left, she rang me a day later to say, "oversharingnamechanged, you can take a horse to the lake, but you can't force it to drink". My DM also took away consent after this for me to discuss anything with her doctor again.

Up until my gran died, she hounded me on the weekend mornings, once she died I stopped giving a fuck and just didn't even bother. Of course once I stopped caring or wanting that time to myself, she never rang me.

My mother will cry nobody has ever done anything for her. Let me tell you this.

Her dinner service, cutlery, utensils, tea towels, drink canisters, microwave, kettle, toaster, sofa, curtains, TV, TV unit, sideboard, nest of tables, nice bedding, mattress, rugs, multiple cars, plants, picture frames and mirrors, I have bought for her, she's chosen, I've paid. Things such as towels etc too, not as birthday or Christmas gifts, just because I want to make her happy. I know I've been stupid, but please remember, when your formative years are badly ingrained images of your mother's face hanging off, you don't really ever want to see your dm upset or want for anything. She once cried at me in our local supermarket when she was out of work she had no money to eat, so I took her for a food shop, once there she cried like a toddler she didn't need "fucking food" and just wanted gin, tonic and cigarettes. She even threw out the trolley a loaf of bread I'd put in, saying at least get that so you can have toast, but she refused and said she'd rather a cheap bottle of wine instead.
I was so embarrassed I caved.

Don't get me wrong, when she's had money she's been more than generous to me also, truly she has.

After my grandmother died, I lost a baby, it was quite complicated and I required surgery. There was one day my friend took our DC out for us so DH and I could cry and just process the shit that had happened. Plus the surgery had been quite painful so we'd planned to just have a cuddle, have some lunch, be together on the rare few hours we had child free.

I rang her prior, to explain that we were spending a day to just grieve. So just text if there are any issues and I'd get back to her, but please no ringing.

So she showed up, I'd been crying heavily and was in my bed, she walked in, came into my room and I said, "please, not today, its just for us". So she went downstairs in a mood, made herself a cup of tea and started moaning about me to DH, saying how unwelcome I made her feel and how she'd lost a DGC and I was being selfish. Now DH does love her and he treats her so well and he wouldn't ever snap at her because of her past with my father, but even he struggled to keep his cool. She really just can't accept boundaries.

Anyway, fast forward and its last Xmas, she had been desperately wanting a particular breed of dog, we discussed in depth why a pensioner dog would be easier or at least a smaller breed. No, she had a tantrum and I caved, got her the large breed she wanted. I also bought her a massive crate to train this puppy with and tons of other things. She off the bat let this puppy just go wild, unfortunately never used the crate or training techniques etc, so she has an oversized dog that she cannot control. This is relevant later on.

So come Christmas last year, she fell out with me. She refused to come for Xmas and it absolutely destroyed me. I've cooked her Xmas Dinner since I was 18 and for my gran, so I really struggled but I also said after that, after asking her repeatedly to change her mind and be spoken to like shit, that I'd not be ever again putting myself in this position and from now on Xmas was mine and my dh and our DC. She texted me on boxing day, "hi love, can you send DH with some roasties pls?" No acknowledgement of what she'd done, just wanting food.

I was just broken.

A few months ago she said she was going to put her unruly dog in kennels so she could come here for this coming Christmas. I explained after last year, I'm not hosting again. We'd visit Xmas day if she wanted, I'd even make her dinner up and her usual Xmas hamper, but it wasn't going to be the "stay the week and let me spoil you" event. She cried and said she understood why I was saying this, but since then has simply ignored it by asking, "So are we having turkey this year or shall we change it?" So she hasn't fully accepted that I will not be hosting.

This seems so silly and I can only apologise if you've read this so far.

Now, I understandably don't ask for child care or really for much. However I had an appointment last week which required just DH and I, no DC. His family are far away and being summer hols, no friends had the time. Often our oldest DC can step in if it's a ten minute shop or something but it was going to be almost 3 hours and it's his holiday too.

Last time my DC went to my mums her dog playfully bit my DC and really scared him, we've never sent them again without either DH or I there. I asked her if she could mind my youngest DC for 3 hours tops, but specified that the muzzle on the dog wasn't negotiable. She agreed to keep DDog muzzled.

For what was only in the end just over 2 hours, it wasn't a problem, and the dog can still drink etc or alternatively go in her cage.

I do love her DDog, she's just large and untrained and very playfully snappy.

So DH picked up our DC, but the dog wasn't muzzled and had been snapping at DC's fingers. Again, as large as the DDog is, she's still a pup and it's not aggressive, but she does have food aggression and I've seen her properly snap. I'm not comfortable with DDog being unmuzzled around my small DC.

DC came home, they'd had a lovely day but the dog hurt his finger.
I texted DM thanking her for having the DC, told her they had a lovely time but they won't be coming again, as she'd said the muzzle would be kept on. I asked her for space as I knew I'd get text abuse, so she replied with her, "take care" which is code for I'm being exiled.

The next day after I'd had some space I rang her, told her a funny story involving DC, then said I wasn't being horrible with not sending the kids again without DH or I, anyway, she started screaming and swearing at me, and after everything, after ever last opportunity to not be awful to me. I just told her I want NC. She said fine.

And the guilt already, (she only has me, no friends etc) but she couldn't keep my DC safe. Not for less than 3 hours. She kept screaming "nothing fucking happened!", but I honestly don't think it was her choice to take that risk. She's said repeatedly she doesn't know about the dog snapping my DC's fingers, but that's proving surely she can't be paying enough attention to not have a muzzle on her dog?

Anyway I've blocked her from everything, she's been blocked off whatsapp for years, if I was online she'd call me, jokingly "oh you're online!" But I do have other people I talk to there and it was stopping me having friendships with others because I'd be too anxious to open a bloody message in case she called me. I have another novel in me about her behaviour towards me having friends, but if I've painted a picture for you here, you'll probably have guessed she doesn't like me having friendships. One of her favourite lines is, "if you paid the same attention to your DC as you do your friends" which is grossly unfair but has been something she's weaponised to make me feel guilty as a mum.

She has been cruel and grabby with her own no ex- friends and I'm deeply embarrassed by how she's treated them.

But now, I'm in hell with guilt and sadness. She doesn't have anyone but me.
I will mentally torture myself over this.

I also should add I'm due a baby in a month or so and she's been crying at me 24/7 daily over her awful life, I asked her a few months ago, (my pregnancy is very high risk for both baby and I) could she just kindly just let me have a bit of time to get through my scary pregnancy without making unnecessary (and it always is) unnecessary drama for me to sort.

It's always me being spoken to like shit, to then be told I'm abusive to her like my dad was, I bully her with my boundaries and it's unfair of me to ask for space from calls when she has nobody else.

Every therapist I've had has told me it's an unsustainable relationship, her doctors have, she was horrible to my grandmother. But yet to me she's my hero, the woman who dealt with so much but still worked several jobs and kept my clothes clean etc.

The lying, gaslighting, shouting at me, using me for money and anything else, it's just been my whole life.

But I really think the guilt of not checking she's okay is so crippling I might need more bloody counselling over it.

If you even read this, thank you. If you're NC with your own DM and can give me advice, thank you.

Another anxious apology for length on this post. This was as brief as I could make it and I've left out huge massive details.

OP posts:
Tablenearthetoiletsmum · 29/07/2023 13:08

Her actions and decisions in the past had huge consequences for you as a child. Now you’ve got children and it sounds like her actions and decisions will keep having huge consequences, not just on you but your DH and children. Try to see her as a second abuser. You can be both a victim and an abuser. You need to control what you can and walk away. She sounds very damaged but that was never your responsibility. X

Whattodo112222 · 29/07/2023 13:18

You're not responsible for her OP.
She chose not to leave your father and then not get herself any help after, she's projecting onto you in the most awful manner.
She is always going to be this way and will never change.
I think going NC should be you closing the door on her and seeking to continue to address the abuse you've experienced by continuing to have therapy. She will destroy you mentally if you cave and allow her back in. You're a mother yourself and imagine the impact on your children.
You sound so broken in your post..I'm so sorry you've been through such trauma x

MmmALovelyBitOfSquirrel · 29/07/2023 13:27

Dodgy signal here and haven't rtft but after reading all that, I just wanted to say, stop apologising. You have nothing to apologise for. You are a fucking hero to change the script for your own children. You are a fucking hero to see things rationally instead of turning to drugs/drink. You are a fucking hero for still caring about the woman who should have saved you. But you don't need to carry the guilt anymore. You have torn yourself apart trying to have some kind of decent relationship with your DM. But now your own DC need you. I'm so glad you have a supportive and loving DH. I hope one day, you find the strength to love yourself and forgive yourself for things that were out of your control. You have been through so much, you deserve a chapter that's all about you, all about what YOU want and need. Sending you so much love and strength. You are amazing to be able to embrace the light after so much darkness. You are worth so much more than you've been led to believe. Let the buck stop with them. You have more about you then they ever knew. Time may not heal everything but it can help you adapt to uncomfortable changes. I don't know you... But I'm so fucking proud of you and who you became.

roarrfeckingroar · 29/07/2023 13:44

You've been through so, so much OP. To have accomplished what you have despite your start in life is nothing short of incredible.

You're deep in the FOG and I have nothing to say that's helpful, but you should be very very proud of yourself.

Dombasle · 29/07/2023 13:49

First of all, well done for achieving a family life for you, your husband and children and overcoming many traumas that would have broken many.

Your attachment to your mother is complex and the sad thing is that you will not be released from the anguish and torment that she causes, until she is gone.

I expect them you will have a collapse of emotions as you will be the only survivor left from your past.

Your resilience and strength are remarkable at how you've come this far and maintained your dignity and kept your grace with your mother.

Many would have cut her out of their lives altogether.

The bond doesn't appear healthy but I feel you would feel worse if you banished her.

Do you think that your kindness towards her is the little child within you, still wanting to please mummy in the hope that the pain and suffering might go away if you're a 'good girl'?

Your mother is not going to change, you know that.

You can decide not to be hurt by her actions and words by accepting that she is also a product of her own past and wasn't able to overcome the darkness that befell upon her with her husband and is so damaged that she will never think, speak or act without a warped view of the world around her including the relationship she has with you.

Your shared past is a glue that holds you together but you have pulled yourself out of the pit of misery to behave and act with kindness and decency. She hasn't been able to and is really a woman to be pitied.

CinnamonBunAndCoffee · 29/07/2023 14:37

You sound like an amazing person. Your parents have put you through so much and you have managed to build what sounds like a good life for yourself despite all that abuse.
You have given so much to your mum. It almost sounds like you are being the parent to her that your parents should have been to you as a child. You have given your mum more than most would. In return she is abusing you. She knows how hard your life has been in the past and I believe she is probably jealous that despite this you have built a life that is much better than the one she made for herself. You love her, but what you are getting from her is just jealousy and resentment and spite. You have given her a fair chance to turn that around and all she has done is throw it back in your face.
Love and material things are not going to save your mum, she sounds a very damaged woman. You have a great life aside of your mum. She isn’t going to change. Concentrate on the life you have built for yourself and walk away. You deserve to have peace in your life. With time away from her the guilt will pass (I’m NC with my parents), and you can focus on your future with your DC and DH free from the abuse. You don’t want the dysfunction being passed onto your DC. Exposure to your mother is going to bring nothing but pain to you all. Removing her you stand a great chance of a more balanced future.

GG1986 · 29/07/2023 14:38

Your mother stood by and let you be abused as a child and she is continuing to abuse you now. If this had been my upbringing and was continuing to bring pain and hurt to my life now I would be going nc, protect yourself and your children. I am so sorry you had such an awful childhood, no one should have to go through what you want through x

Elizadoloads · 29/07/2023 14:49

She is an awful mother and a broken person. She should want to fix the part of herself that let her 5 year old daughter be abused.. she didn't and that makes her truly vile. Who knows why but it is not your responsibility to fix her.
I've been almost 3 years no contact with my own mother. It's a rollercoaster of emotions but the main feeling being I wished I'd done it 20 years ago. It's lovely having her drama not apart of my life. She also has no one left and I've heard through the grapevine is now very anxious/depressed/lonely. I don't feel bad, I felt all of those emotions myself, difference being that like you I was a little girl.
Your mum sounds jealous of the life you have built, mines the same. It's really fucked up. Sorry op, I know it's hard. Keep going, it's not your fault.

Oversharingnamechanged · 29/07/2023 16:11

Your replies are all incredibly useful and again thank you for the time reply.

Some points that have been made I think I needed to see written down, one being I'm not being the best mother I can whilst I accept this. Its true, during last Christmas day I was so consumed with sadness she was (by choice) alone I spent much of the day crying away from my DC, beating myself up for it. I didn't priorities my DC and was very aware of it. Ironically my eldest DC said he preferred not having his gran over as she causes tension when she is here. She does.

I spoilt her with material gifts at a cost to my DC also, I'm deeply ashamed to admit this but prior to her falling out with me over Christmas I'd arranged and paid for a grotto day for my youngest DC. However she felt so upset she'd not been able to "spoil herself to some nice bits", I (really am so ashamed writing this) gave her the money I had for us to travel the grotto so she could buy herself some nice candles and things to cheer her up.
My DC didn't know they missed out but I'm still wracked with guilt, they're small so little, what type of stupid idiot let's their mum have some Yankee candles instead of their DC a childhood experience?

I have been selfish putting her needs above my families, and I suppose mine. Because it doesn't hurt me to say yes to her, but does to say no. That's not me being kind to her, it's me being weak. I feel better that she's happy, so I do it.

Some posters pointed out jealousy from her and yes, she's extremely jealous and spiteful with that at times.
Her jealousy manifests and cruelty and very cutting comments. To me, because nobody else would be stupid enough to put up with it.

OP posts:
HerAvatar · 29/07/2023 16:17

I'm dashing out the door now OP but just wanted to quickly direct you to the ongoing threads on the Relationships board entitled 'But we took you to Stately Homes'. They're for people with toxic parents and you will find a huge amount of support and understanding from the posters there Flowers

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/07/2023 16:24

You’ve always wanted her approval but she will never give you this. She has trained and otherwise conditioned you to put her first with you and your kids needs and wants dead last. This is also why your children did not go to that Christmas grotto that time.

Never dishonour and or disrespect your own self like that ever again. Your no contact position with your mother needs to be permanent.

pickledandpuzzled · 29/07/2023 16:26

Bless you.

Ok. It will get easier.

You bear no responsibility or duty towards her.

It's not you it's her.

You have been trained up to pander to her. You need to put yourself and your DC first.

I was reading along, thinking how awesome you are to have survived, to have built a relationship, family and home after the start you had. Awed at your strength and determination, kindness and grace despite everything you had experienced.

I'm concerned that she watches your dc. There's no way on earth she's watch mine.

Flowers
Brightandshining · 29/07/2023 16:36

Please go no contact. You need to do this. She will not change. She will never understand and she will never apologise and actually mean it. Its so hard because I know this is the only parental love you've ever known but this is not OK. Break the cycle and cut her off. Move forward as a person. She is in pain and she won't heal because she is taking absolutely no responsibility for herself. As such she will only hurt everyone around her. The only think you can do is take responsibility for yourself and your own psychological state and do not allow this... stop ALL contact with her and stick to it. Do not second guess yourself be strong. You may think this has not effected your child but you are wrong. Watching their mother be abused effects any child and you may not understand it because to you this abuse seems less than what your father did and your boundaries have been eroded... but your mother is abusive.
It can take several attempts and many years but please do try to cut her out of your life completely. You have absolutely NO duty to care for someone who allowed you to be physically and sexually abused and who continues to abuse you herself. You have no responsibility for her... none. Do not feel guilty for protecting yourself. Do not think that she will ever acknowledge or understand your point of view she will only try and manipulate you with guilt into doing whatever she wants. You need to cut out this rot.

Brightandshining · 29/07/2023 16:39

And please God do not leave children with her. Abuse is not only physical and often kids do not understand emotional abuse until they are older.. they won't be able to explain it to you... they will appear happy but you know how she is... you know the manipulations and the lack of understanding or validating anyone else's needs or perspective. This harms kids. Do not leave children with her under any circumstances as it will cause long lasting damage to them, erode their own boundaries and destroy their self esteem.

Dukeydo · 29/07/2023 16:45

AgathaMystery · 29/07/2023 11:35

I think your mum is never going to be okay.

once you have accepted that, perhaps the guilt will ease.

This.

I’ve accepted it. My mum is no where as abusive as yours.
My father physically, emotionally and verbally abused me for years. She sided with him mainly. She was ok sometimes but often slipped her behaviour and was just as abusive as him.

then lockdown and suddenly both wanted to reconnect with me and the grandchildren - we don’t live far but he couldn’t keep it up and it all started again and this time involving my children. So we are all nc.

has she had any therapy? Because she doesn’t seem to want to change or want a different relationship?

I had therapy for two years and am now nc for two years and finally able to address my trauma and abuse.

I am not responsible for my fathers behaviour or my mothers and it ok for me to say that and yes I want different and I want normal - I’m not going to get it. So instead you can go NC that’s fine.

Crunchingleaf · 29/07/2023 18:36

OP you were abused by both parents. Yes she was a victim of domestic violence, however she has been emotionally and verbally abusive towards you for probably your entire life.

Whatever damage she is carrying is not yours to fix. You can’t fix her. It’s not your responsibility. You have your own DC to look after.

Well done for where you have gotten in life after the appalling start in life you got. There is still one more harmful habit you have left.. your relationship with your mother.

Pinkflamingopants · 29/07/2023 19:41

In the nicest possible way, it’s ironic that you blame your mum for staying in an abusive relationship, yet you have done the same, to your child’s detriment. NC sounds like the only way you can be a free person.

MummyJ36 · 29/07/2023 20:15

Oh god OP what horribly difficult time you’ve been through. Your mother is an incredibly traumatised person but none of this is your fault. You are not responsible for her happiness and you were not responsible for her staying with your abusive father. Would you ever want your children to feel responsible for you and your happiness? Your safety? Would you ever think that was appropriate or fair?

It is not a child’s job to make their parent happy. Your mother could have left. But she didn’t, they was her choice. I’m sure she was miserable but you were not the decision maker. You took the decision to leave the second you got some autonomy and look at the life you have built, lovely DC and a supportive DH. You created that despite your abusive upbringing. Your mum is not your hero you are your hero.

Have you ever heard of ‘grey rock’ ? Worth looking it up as I think you might want to consider using this technique with your mother moving forward.

MummyJ36 · 29/07/2023 20:19

Also just to agree with others please do not leave your kids with her anymore. Find a trusted babysitter who you can call on when you need childcare.

Littlemisslonley · 29/07/2023 20:55

Oh darling. Youve done nothing but good. Get out and cut every single tie. You deserve more

Zanina · 29/07/2023 22:13

You deserve to be happy. You've suffered so much xxxx

Takeabreather23 · 29/07/2023 22:38

Your mother tooke your childhood away from
you and now she’s taking your adulthood too.
Yes it was abuse your mum was on the recieving end of , but I'm not sure she even wanted to get out , even for her kids sake.

Your mum is too far gone .
if you say anything else to her again tell
her to seek help and counselling sort her bitterness toward you out and then
maybe the door can be opened to her once more . Don’t hold your breath though .

Shes jealous of you because you have made a good life and your a good mum . She’s jealous your husband does what a caring husband should. Your mum never had that kind of relationship but this is by no means your fault .

I know it’s hard but stop the cycle of abuse , doesn’t loose anymore of your precise life on this nastiness .

Keep the doors locked for a while untill she gets the message and can’t just come Barging in Change your numbers too if you have to.
Organise as nice quiet normal family for this year . Tell her none of your plans just that she’s not involved anymore .

Stay strong ! Your amazing !
X

Oversharingnamechanged · 30/07/2023 03:28

I've read every comment and I'm floored with your kindnesses.
Thank you all so much.
I've looked at the "stately home" thread and googled FOG and grey rock.

My DH has been wonderful with his support and he's said posting here, for raw opinions from people who know neither mother has been remarkably useful.

I hope a few years down the line I can be someone who can share my positive NC experience with someone else.

Thank you for support and handholding x

OP posts:
Grumpusaurus · 30/07/2023 03:53

OP, I wish I could immerse you in one enormous healing hug. You sound like an amazing mother and incredible human being to go through all of what you did and be so loving and kind. But you need to protect yourself from this evil vulture, so that you can continue to be an incredible mother to your children. They need you to free yourself from her cruelty and emotional abuse. You are no good to anyone, including yourself if you continue to let her abuse you.

Well done in taking the first steps to go NC. This horrendous woman failed you at the most basic level. She failed to keep you safe and let you get physically and sexually abused all because of her fucked up masochistic co dependency. Granted she was a victim of your father's abuse. To a point! But she had a duty to shield and protect you and instead fed you to the wolves! Please cut this human cancer out of your life and focus on your own wonderful family.

Twillow · 30/07/2023 04:19

She's not your hero. She had choices but stayed in an abusive relationship and worse let you be abused. I left an abusive relationship and I know it's not easy and I know how witnessing it affects children, but to let you go though this is evil and sounds like she was complicit. Her behaviour towards you is still abusive and selfish at absolute best. I imagine that from a psychological perspective your brain wants to be able to repair your childhood and that's why you have these tendencies to put your mother on a pedestal and strive for a relationship with her despite her making it difficult for you at every step.
Your DH sounds like the real hero here, is he an actual saint?? In your shoes, I would advise you to ask your DH for help to come up with a plan to protect you and your children from your mother. She has had her chances.
Good luck with your new baby Flowers