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Should we separate?

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Gangle · 03/01/2010 23:09

DH and I have always had a difficult relationship but it's been particularly bad since DS, 21 months was born. Have posted about this separately so won't go into too much detail but basically he is nasty, selfish and emotionally abusive. He is a dr and works long hours which he uses as an excuse to rarely help out with DS. Because of his job, he claims he is constantly exhausted - if not working, he will have at least a 2 or 3 hour nap whilst I'm running around like an idiot, despite being 28 weeks pregnant with DS2. Naturally, he does nothing around the house - I organise everything, pay all the bills, do all the cooking, laundry, plus work full time in a demanding professional job. I could live with him not doing anything if it wasn't for his other behaviour - he oscillates between ignoring me and criticising everything I do, from my appearance to the way I raise DS. DS has an amazing vocab yet the other day DH commented that I should work on improving this asap. He has various obsessive compulsive disorders, for example, throwing my possessions away (have posted separately about this) and takes/uses my possessions without my permission, for example, he runs his car out of petrol then takes mine and drives it until it runs out of petrol. He did this a few weeks ago and also let the back window open so that the rain got in and drenched DS's car seat so when I came to use the car the next day I found it unlocked, emptied of petrol with the backseat and DS's seat soaking wet. He also incurs numerous parking tickets when driving it and doesn't tell me - first time I found out was when I nearly got a CCJ against me (he's binned all the reminders etc). He is horrendously disorganised so going anywhere or doing anything with him is a nightmare as we'll miss the flight/train or he'll forget his keys, or if we do make it I'll nearly have a heart attack from the stress of it. He ignores 99% of what I say so never does anything I ask, refuses to ever get up with DS so I NEVER get a lay in, even if sick, pregnant, whatever, doesn't matter, he won't get up so I have to. If he does then it's after so much naggging and rowing it's such not worth it. I just need a tiny amount of help, one lay in a month would be heaven, but he just can't do it. On the other hand, he finds time to go to football on Tuesdays, the gym on Wednesdays, see a counsellor on THursdays and usually out and gyms at least 2 other nights a week. If I want to go out or do anything then I have to get a babysitter as he cannot be relied upon to turn up or will turn up late. I am basically a single parent. I'm not sure if I still love DH. I think he does love me and I know he loves DS but his behaviour is just unbearable. His mum and a close family friend who has known him all his life agree that he is a bully and think he has a personality disorder but nothing I say or do makes him change. We row all the time and I am getting sadder and sadder and more and more lonely and it breaks my heart to think of raising DS and the new baby in this environment, or taking them away from their father when I know he does love them but who is slowly destroying me. To complicate things further, DH is supposed to bed taking a job in Nashville, US, in June. DS2 will be 3 months. He is insisting that we all go but I am refusing as I cannot move 2000 miles away with the relationship the way it is, nor do I want to move whilst DSs are so young with no support network etc. Seems like a natural time to separate but still very sad that he can just up and leave and not care about not seeing his children. He is putting on the onus on me, saying I should move to ensure the children see their father but I don't want to leave my home and my support network and a well paid job which could be my only means of support in future to move there. I just spent a week alone with DS as he went away over NY (to his mother's, I refused to go) and the house felt so lonely and empty, think I will find it really hard being alone. Sorry, this is turning into a ramble. Can anyone help?

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HerHissyness · 27/07/2011 00:16

Keep posting Gangle, this will be a long week, I know, but you'll get through it. I'm so pleased for you that the end is in sight.

((((HUGS))))

pickgo · 27/07/2011 01:44

Gangle, that week you had on your own and the house felt empty and lonely really frightened you I think?
You know it doesn't stay feeling like that for long. I think everyone here who has split up from an XH like yours will affirm that the loneliness and strangeness is soon outweighed by a glorious sense of being at peace that you thought you'd never feel again.

REgarding your son - he'll soon recover, as soon as his dad buggers off - at 3 he just needs a happy mummy.

You have realised now I think that your H saying he wants to go to counselling whilst also saying he wants to see OW is because he wants to split but shift responsibility for your break up on to you? - ie 'I even tried counselling but couldn't make it work with her'. Don't take that lie on.
End it now without any more self-reproach or doubt. You will start to feel better very soon after he has gone.

One last thing, my friend's XH left for a trip and she had an 'attempted break-in' so unfortunately she had to have the locks changed. Makes you think?

Is your solicitor any good?

lightsandshapes · 27/07/2011 07:34

Let him go to the US. Make up a reason why you have to stay. Any reason. Dont mention separation or be dramatic. Once he's gone it will give u the perfect chance to build up strength and see things clearly out of his 'energy'. Perhaps fate is helping give u some space with his move in a gentle way. Stay and make yourself strong.

Dozer · 27/07/2011 08:56

Ok, so you've been advised that you need to stay in the house, so goal should be for him to go and not come back.

Great idea to tell him you're giving him the space he's asked for, support him in exploring his feelings for ow, or anything else you need to say to make him go with minimal argument, then change/add to the locks. As herhissyness says, let him air his dirty laundry in court if he wants to object. You've been paying for everything anyway.

Hide the dcs' passports, birth certs and all important documents, eg at a frien's house or locked cabinet at work. Make sure you have financial info and put a stop on him spending from any joint accounts.

What happens with OW is by the by - if it is real and not a fantasy in your dh's strange world - focus on getting through right now and getting some time and peace to think.

There're many of us on here and in rl wishing you well.

cestlavielife · 27/07/2011 11:12

yes deifnitely have visits with kids at set times and preferably have them see hom OUTSIDE the house.

they need to get used to new reality that dad does not live here.
but you can see daddy at the park / soft play /library /maybe later on at his house.,

you need to make that clear break.

bullies can turn on the charm ever so well and mkae out liek ti is your fault etc - and also perhaps is he suggesting that you need to wait for him to make up his mind because no one else will have you?

i moved with the Dc and let exP visit th DC at my new place it was a huge huge mistake - dont make the mistake of having him swan in and out of your home once he is gone he is gone.

also dont worry too much about DC not seeing him so often - once a week initially will be fine it really will. let him then disucss more with mediator / during divorce proceedings.

so - he goes on 1 august- you arange now with him that the first visit with the Dc will be on say the next friday ro saturday at the aprk / soft play. keep it ou of your house and if you there to hand over then in public where a) witnesses b) he is less likely to blow off.

also dont worry about thm meeting other woman - it's not that big an issue, dc young so it will just be daddy's friend.

one step at a time, you need to regain confidence and a secure happy household with your DC.

you can do it and you will be better for it... as someone said to me - it might feel like you moving through treacle right now - getting sucked in the sludge; but it will get easier and soon you be swimming thru water confidently

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 27/07/2011 11:30

Generally, you should never let a man put you in the position of 'waiting for him to make up his mind'. Remember that if he doesn't want to be with you 100% you no longer want him because you deserve better. After all, you could hardly do worse than this particular tosser anyway.

Kardashianw · 27/07/2011 20:43

Get rid of him. But who am I to advise I am in the same boat :(

Spero · 28/07/2011 12:23

Be careful about changing locks whilst he is on the legal title to the house. You are not allowed to do that. If he is coming round at unreasonable times a non molestation or occupation order is way forward as it will keep you on right side of the law.

HerHissyness · 28/07/2011 16:00

She can ADD locks though? Grin

Spero · 28/07/2011 16:02

No. She is preventing him getting access to what is his property. I can't see the difference between changing and adding locks if what you are doing is stopping him getting in.

If you are that worried about him then I think an occupation order and/or non molestation order would be the way to go. then police would have to take it seriously and arrest him.

archieleach · 28/07/2011 20:51

Hello Gangle,
Sorry to hear about your situation, indeed. Whilst reading it, I was reminded EXACTLY of my uncle. How my Auntie put up with it until the children grew up, nobody will ever know. She divorced him eventually.
I'm sorry to say that you too will divorce your husband eventually. It is inevitable. Better to do it sooner rather than later as you will save yourself and others a great deal of stress, heartache and pain.

Just so you know I am not one of the "leave the bastard" brigade: I have often said "leave the bastard" to annoy the man haters who would encourage some to leave their husband if he, "looked at me in a funny way".
I have always strongly supported women's rights but loathe feminism.

Honestly - do not stay with him, but choose your time to help your children.
Best wishes.

Dozer · 03/08/2011 16:54

Any news gangle?

Gangle · 10/08/2011 15:02

Thanks for checking up on me Dozer. So, he finally "moved out" on Sunday BUT, "moving out" seems to involve one night at his new place, and one night here. He hasn't taken any stuff yet other than a few clothes and is coming and going as he pleases. I KNOW I should probably change the locks but am hesitating before I do so as it is technically illegal and I want to be squeaky clean on this. I may do in time, just not yet. The problem is that I don't seem to be feeling any better. I just feel so down and heartbroken that he could have done this. He is also saying odd things like I should tell him to stop seeing this woman and that if I show him some affection then he may be able to say he won't see her again but then he'll say that he can't tell me that he won't see her again. I know I need to take the power back and stop engaging with him but am really struggling to let go. Even though he is treating me like shit, you desperately cling to any shred of hope there may be.

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Lifeinlalaland · 10/08/2011 22:05

Hi Gangle.

I just read the thread through and wanted to just say I think you are doing the right thing by going through with the seperation. It sounds like such a horendous situation to be in, and you will be so much better without him. Change is scary and can leave you questioning if you are doing the right thing but really I would urge you to try and make it clear in your mind that there is NO hope and that is because YOU deserve so much better than him. Really how could your life be any more awful than it is now once he is gone properly? It wont be I promise you, and your children will also be so much happier.

The hardest thing to accept is that it's done and gone but you have to do that. What is your other choice? If it was just the affair that was wrong and he previously treated you well then maybe you could have some hope..but affair or not he has always treated you like shit and is only getitng worse. Where is the hope in that? You DO realise he is purposefully dangling a little 'hope' because he ENJOYS watching you twist and turn and try to work it out with him don't you? I know thats an awful thing to realise..but he LIKES it when you are suffering. There is something wrong with him and it is not your fault.

I think you must have awfully low self-esteem, he has probably slowly chipped away at it over the time you have spent with him, and this is what is keeping you from standing up and telling him to fuck right off.

It WILL get better, and one of the ways it will get better is if you find a line and stick to it with regards to speaking with him. Dont speak to him at all unless it is necessary and if he says anything mean to you just answer 'I am not prepared to engage with you on this issue'. Say it calmly and then nothing else. Don;t engage or talk to him, you wont get any answers from him, do you really think he is capable of giving you the answers you seek? Or if he was he would actually be kind enough to give you some peace of mind?

Please hang in there and keep going with the seperation, a whole news happy world is waiting for you.

Dozer · 10/08/2011 22:29

Hiya gangle, good to hear from you.

Previous posters have said it all.

We're all really, really hoping that you can find the strength to make a change for the better in your life for yourself and the dcs. You can do it if you try.

Gangle · 19/08/2011 11:32

Ok, so I thought things were getting better, I've come away to my parents and was getting some distance, but found out yesterday that ex P has gone to Paris this weekend to see the other woman!! She is flying over from Nashville to meet him in Paris. He's with her at the moment. I know I should expect this behaviour, and I knew this was coming, but I am still stunned that he could do this. How much lower can he stoop? Suffice to say I will be changing, sorry, adding a lock asap and filing for divorce next week but it is still so unbelievably painful. I have moments where I feel I really can't cope with this amount of pain but am trapped. I don't feel like I want to live anymore, I feel so worthless, but I could never do anything that would mean leaving my boys. WHEN is this going to get better??

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Gangle · 19/08/2011 11:34

Also, can anyone advise me as to what I tell my 3 year old? I've so far got away with saying that Daddy is at work etc when he asks where he is, which isn't very often as he is used to ex P being away, having had absences of months at a time, but I don't want to gloss over it as I think he knows something is up and probably needs an explanation. What's the best thing to say? Daddy has a separate house as he needs to work a lot but he loves you very much? Or something more honest?

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