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Our first Relate appointment is tomorrow, I'm scared.

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Scorps · 14/12/2009 10:12

DH & I are at 'shit or bust' point in our marriage. He came back to the family home on Friday night after 12 days away; He says he doesn't love me anymore. We want to go to counselling and try, because at least if we do split we can say we did everything possible. It has all stemmed from when i mc in Feb i think. I got pg v quickly after, but totally withdrew into myself. Another woman paid him attention and when i was 15 weeks pg he kissed her. Since then i have been terrified and not let him out of my sight, have withdrawn love from him and affection, etc. He would say he loved me and i wouldnt even say anything back.

He is behaving oddly now - saying he doesn't love me, then when i had a 'revelation' this morning saying to him that maybe because of my self worth i should just quit now, i have alot to offer a man etc, he gets upset. We have had sex this weekend too but I'm not allowing that anymore - he can't reach out to me on the sofa, but tries to have sex. I told him today no more of that and he agreed. He said he wants his affection to be true when he does it, and i think thats best too.

He is not nasty; I'm 38+3 weeks with dc4 and he is caring for me and the dc. I have enough money, etc. He is a fantastic father and really wants to go to Relate, but isnt commiting himself to saying he wants our marriage to work.

I'm scared about the appointment, what we will have to talk about, what he will say that will just hurt me more, Relate isn't superglue .

What will happen, any advice, nice things to say to me? Feel like im living life blindfolded. Please dont think he's nasty hes not, its been such a hard year, 2009 has.

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Scorps · 28/12/2009 11:50

No no baby, sweep on Wednesday if I want mw said.

Am out with friend today. Just saw him in town with ds2 and dd and he looks a mess. Dd was up in the night apparently.

Staying at mums from tonight until baby is a few days old, then going home when he will leave. He will be at mine with dc until then, I will go there every day if baby permitting to see them though.

Keep thinking today, in what world is this allowed? Jst seen a small baby with his parents and I cried, wondering how on earth I'll do it.

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MisSalToeKisses · 28/12/2009 12:04

The evil part of me loves him suffering. Good riddens anyway, but I like the fact that he has to realise with a shock how you were the one that always held everything together.

I'm working on a Wankers-R-Us sign for the van...

Scorps · 28/12/2009 17:59

I'm so bad right now

talked to him earlier and apparently he wasn't sure about going. Wanted to try at relate. Was crying. Said he can't imagine being with anyone else. But says that splitting up is best as he doesn't feel either of us will be happy with each other. He said he wanted me to try these last 2 weeks but I said how could I when u said u were leaving and was adamant about that? I knew he wasn't sure you know but I had to listen to the words didn't I? When he went out 2 weeks ago sone girl tried it on and he said no he was married and he said that felt right. Doesn't want to rush a divorce.

Why is all this happening? So we are splitting still I guess? I shaking and my heart is racing I feel ill

I just wanted to cuddle and for it all to go

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BooHooo · 28/12/2009 18:02

Why is he torturing you like this? You are just about to give birth ffs.

I don't even know this guy and reading this thread makes my skin crawl he is just awful, awful.

Please be strong for your DC. I really, really feel for you.

Scorps · 28/12/2009 18:04

I told him that i was staying at mums until dd was a fewdays old then I was coming home and e could go the same day. He cried.

He says we can't be happy together cos I will always feel on edge and he doesn't feel we are right etc

but y say he's going if he wasn't sure? I don't want him to turn around in 6 months and ask to come home just when im ok iyswim

I feel like this is fresh news again

he said I'm gorgeous, I should be myself more, tat he wanted me to try. I did for a few days but he would nt let me touch him, he ignored my texts, didn't really talk

hesaid the thought of me having sex with someone else is wrong

why can't he either want me or not? I don't think we are going relate next week now

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BooHooo · 28/12/2009 18:09

What are you meant to say to that?

He is calling the shots - don't let him - YOU tell HIM what is going to happen. This is not all about him anymore it is about you and the DC.

VeeEsss · 28/12/2009 18:13

He doesn't like the thought of you taking control, that's all this is steph.
He's trying to put you back in that place where he can do whatever he wants without you complaining because you're so scared he'll leave.

MisSalToeKisses · 28/12/2009 18:25

Scorps, I know you'll have a newborn next week, but please go to Relate on your own if he's not coming with. Even if only this once. You don't know how this will turn out, but it will be good to speak to someone who is not involved at all.

MisSalToeKisses · 28/12/2009 18:27

What he's doing now is to be expected.

Sooner or later, he'll also pull the "I have always loved only you", the "I never wanted you to leave" and the "You never even tried" lines. Watch my words. That's what guys like this do.

Go and see Relate, for yourself, for your self esteem. For the record.

MisSalToeKisses · 28/12/2009 18:30

"why can't he either want me or not?"

He doesn't want someone else to want you either, that is the problem. He wants you to be aching for him. And to be available when he's in the mood for you. But not to have a say the rest of the time.

Scorps · 28/12/2009 18:58

I want to go home and cuddle up with him and for it to all be ok

god this hurts I want to sleep forever

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dittany · 28/12/2009 18:59

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Scorps · 28/12/2009 19:07

Yes alot of that rings true, alot of it.

Dad says to leave him stew, get baby out, continue with the plan.

I still hurt so much. I actually physically hurt

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dittany · 28/12/2009 19:14

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fairycake123 · 28/12/2009 19:59

Sorry for your pain Scorps

It will take time, but it will get better. It always does.

Scorps · 28/12/2009 20:38

I cuddled with my dad on the sofa he's just gone to get ne coffee and mince pie

he said I am worth a million of a man like that, look in the mirror, etc. Feel better - realised nothing is different. H even goin on earlier how gorgeous I am and how inferior intelligence wise he felt with me.

I realise I still havefaith in marriage - must be my parents example. H said earlier he won't marry again, his parents example and all this is just too much.

When I go home and h leaves my friend will be sleeping over for a few nights. Mum is sending me home with spag bol and stew etc.

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sweetkitty · 29/12/2009 09:08

hey scorps just checking up on you today, I hope you are cuddling a gorgeous newborn wrapped up on those just given birth hormones. If not I hope you are OK.

Scorps · 29/12/2009 09:25

Still pregnant. 40+4.

had a big chat with mum before bed, she thinks me being assertive yday really shocked him. Mum said he was still keeping his options open in his head even though he was VERY clear to me he was leaving.... Just why wasn't he honest?

But he still wasn't saying he loved me and he still didn't commit to saying he wanted us to work, even though he said all that other stuff.

I bet he will leave and 'crash' again. This doesn't even feel cut and dry, not even now it's been 4 weeks ago he left.

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Anniegetyourgun · 29/12/2009 09:43

The more of this thread I read, the more I realise that your parents are really amazing - wise, loving and supportive. The only pain even nearly as bad as what you're going through is the pain they must feel at not having a magic wand to make everything right for their child. That's why it's only fair to let them help you.

VeeEsss · 29/12/2009 11:47

Lacey's gonna come today, it's Bobby's birthday

Reading what Dittany wrote seems to hit the nail on the head about K to me. I don't think anything he says or does is unplanned or without soemthing behind it.

Thinking of you
xxx

dizzycringles · 29/12/2009 11:58

VeeEss - have just realised how I know you hope you and yours all well

Scorps - thinking of you too darling x

VeeEsss · 29/12/2009 12:13

Lol, dizzy, took a while

Scorps · 29/12/2009 12:50

Have come to see dc and we had another chat. Basically has always been the same - no love, therefore its not going to work, no matter what. I don't think i love HIM, i think its husband/family etc that i aim for.

I realise even looking at him, that a life with him is not for me. I KNOW he will cheat on future gf's.

We have both agreed its weird, end of an era, etc. He will be around alot for dc, but will be moving out the day i return home with Lacey as living together is not for us. I will hope that Lacey will have EBM a bit, so when he comes over i can nap, have a bath etc. He is going to fill cupboards up when i come back with Lacey, and coook up some meals so i dont have to.

It all seems rather friendly, and whilst i want to have sex with him (alot!) thats it, and that will go. We both said we know there will be bad days, but i actually feel this may be ok - fast forward a year - im sure i will be happy hopefully with a BF and my dc.

Even if he did want to get back together, i dont feel i want to - i will always feel inferior, not enough, watchful, and thats no life for me, let alone the dc. its no marriage is it - i mean my parents have been married 30 years and last night mum sat on dads lap, cuddled up. Dad goes off to rugby and mum likes it cos she gets to eat pizza - not because its a break from sneaky phones and feeling inferior and she never sits up until he gets in, terrified.

I'm worried about being alone forever, about more hurt men will put me through...but i guess im not just going to meet 'the one' first off am i?

He said hes not a bad person - well i dont think he will manage a 'proper' relationship again. I like to think i will. I said to mum last night he would do something else to me, but he could leave for OW in 20 years when im 45 and thats far worse than when im 25 iyswim

Yes its going to hurt like buggery when i know hes had sex with someone else. But only because im used to doing that, thats 'our' thing iyswim...not because i want the whole package because hes not the right man for me is he? I will not be doing that with him, ever again. I will worry that he will have sex with someone who ive always 'worried' about but thats up to him now isnt it.

He is upset that he will never live with Lacey or see her being born but he does understand my need of the birth and 'safety' which is good.

My parents said he is permitted to visit their house, but dad says he will have to go out when H is there as he cannot be expected to behave himself (i see what he means)

I feel good since talking to him; we both know it cant work and we both have the same reservations but know this cannot work. We accept there will be bad days, days of missing each other, days of regret, but its each day as it comes isnt it and each day could bring a suprise, a cry, a new interest, even just a productive 'easy' day. We stil lwant to be 'kind' to each other, esp for the dc.

He did say he tried to be everything i wanted, but when it comes down to it he cheated on me when i was pg and chatted her up when i was still bleeding from miscarrying, and thats who he is. He said he didnt wanna cheat anymore BUT he would have and i know this (im right arent i?)maybe not this year or next but definitely again

Anyway I'm off to MW for a sweep tomorrow. I think H may be taking kids to his mothers for a few days, i dont know....he looks down too and probably needs some looking after too.

I'm lucky in that i have no debt to start this journey on, a very supportive family, an ex who will be there and fantastic friends.

I will be ok won't i? I will meet someone one day?

I'm going to need a right talking to some days on here you know

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countingto10 · 29/12/2009 13:06

Scorps, keep going to Relate on your own and with him as well if you want. You don't want to repeat the same mistakes again and Relate will help you with any self-esteem issues.

You probably feel a weight has been lifted now you have some clarity of thought, a way forward etc.

Good luck and try and get some space for yourself to heal as well (if it's possible).

Scorps · 29/12/2009 13:18

Relate is 40 miles away but I can see an nhs counselor starting next week which I will I also have cpn ad a homestart, and my parents, friends and parents cleaner sometime

I accept some days will be hideous won't they?

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