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Sister's BF - would you be concerned?

102 replies

Ninks · 03/11/2009 21:14

Hi, I hope I'm not crashing this board but I can't face an AIBU flaming and I do read this a lot and know what you're like

It's a bit long but I hope you'll bear with me.

My sister and her husband separated a year ago and have two children. Since then my sister, (can't call her "D" sis) has had a parade of men from her previous single life coming in and out of the house. Recently however she met someone through a friend of a friend on Facebook, hooked up and he has been a fixture for six weeks.

The first thing that worried me was that the "friend" was more of a frenemy. They had fallen out several times.

Then I found out that after a week or two my sister was letting him babysit her children while she went out at night. Despite not knowing where he lived.

Since then she has been to the shared house where he rents a room a couple of times, but she still hasn't met anyone who can verify his identity. He calls himself RG, and claims to have a sister in our town with whom he has been estranged for years.

He has no proper job. Signs on for JSA but isn't actively looking for work because he has several odd-job cash-in-hand things apparently. My sis has never seen evidence of this beyond him going back to where he lives and coming back with money. So no employer, no company, no record of tax paid. He is "shy" with photos too

He says that all his friends say he would be the "ideal father" and seems desperate to prove that. He wants a baby with sis after they have known each other for a "bit" even though she was supposed to have a hysterectomy after her last child so terrible are pregnancies and childbirth on her health. You'd think he would know and / or respect this. My suggestion that a job might help him get into the ideal father league was met with silence.

In the last month or so he has been with my sis always. We used to do things such as swimming and soft-play with our toddlers but now he is always there. My DD is at school during these times.

Now he knows that I am married and have a DH and the guy is in his late thirties but for the last few weeks he has been saying, "Oh when am I going to get to meet your DD properly?" after seeing pictures of her at my parents house or hearing sis and I discuss her. Not, "Hey - let's all meet up, your husband and other child".

And he has offered to pick DD up from school even though I have just started letting her walk the 7 minutes on her own. He has her mobile number in his Blackberry. He doesn't know that I know that. Must have got it from my sis's phone.

Yesterday was a non-pupil day and I took the DC to town. Was a bit distracted by DS for a sec and before I knew it DD was enveloped in a bear hug and swept off her feet. I was curious to see what would would happen so I accepted the idea of lunch with BF, Sis and all the DC.

He sat next to her, tickling, cuddling, and at the end, put her on his back, legs wrapped around him and turned her upside down and smacked her bum. Playfully

Now I met my lovely DH on the internet when DD was three. When we met in RL I took sensible precautions. After a period of time he met DD too. After about two years he was left alone with her for short periods. He never once complained about this despite being an exemplary father, he never pressured, never encouraged me to go out alone, it just evolved naturally.

And as he says, DD has known his family, his BIL and his Mum's BF who have never once treated DD like that and wouldn't dream of it. They are interested and attentive, have been since she was four, but not desperate to appeal to her.

It was all in public but she is a large nine years old. She loved it, thinks he's a lovely bloke. I don't want to piss all over her fireworks but I do think he is behaving inappropriately and I'm now worried about her walking home from school on her own after seeing how he can charm her.

Today I found out that my sister's best friend's DD can't stand him after having stayed there for the night. Sis says she doesn't care because her DC "adore him".

Obviously I'm not wary of "peedos on every corner" which is the reason I didn't put this in AIBU. And the scoffers at that will be the first to tell you that children who are harmed will be harmed by people they know or family.

I've read enough of this board although have rarely contributed under this name to know that you're a sensible lot when it comes to trusting instincts. DH is also very wary.

I seriously have nobody else to ask apart from my fucked-up family who are wary, yes, but the most important thing to them is to not upset my sis lest she go nuclear.

Just interested in thoughts really. I was also thinking of phoning maybe the NSPCC to get advice, not in a "reporty" way...

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DONTtouchMUMSspecialJUICE · 03/11/2009 21:18

i'd be uncomfortable... the phone number in his phone sends alarm bells ringing for me.

why?? why why why would he need her phone number??? and how did he get it?

sausageroll · 03/11/2009 21:24

Listen to your instincts. keep this man well away from your DD. He might be a lovely bloke, but his behaviour is inappropriate at best. Make sure you talk to her about never going off with anyone (including him)unless you have said to her in person that it is OK. Say to her that even if someone says that you have said it is OK, it is not. Please don't take any chances. Having her number in his phone is wierd and totally inappropriate - why would he need it, why would he want it - she is nine years old. Yes, yes, yes to speaking to someone at NSPCC, just for advice. I am the least paranoid person in the world but this is ringing alarm bells all over to me.

Anniegetyourgun · 03/11/2009 21:25

Inappropriate is the word all right. You clearly won't get through to your sister, but you have to explain to your daughter somehow to keep her distance. Maybe it's not something awful, but he certainly doesn't know where the boundaries are and that in itself is worrying enough.

Hunting · 03/11/2009 21:26

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ginnny · 03/11/2009 21:28

Go with your gut instincts. I'd rather be over cautious than to let the unthinkable happen.
He has clearly raised alarm bells. Don't ignore them and avoid all contact with him if possible.

catsmother · 03/11/2009 21:30

Yep, the phone number is the weirdest thing. There is absolutely no reason why he needs the phone number of a 9 year old child - one he has met once - though it would still be creepy and weird if they'd met loads of times.

Anything - and god knows what - he'd need to say to your daughter should be said to her in front of you. Why the hell does he need a private pathway into her life ?

Definitely talk to the NSPCC for advice and I would NOT be going anywhere near him, sister or not. Turning her upside down and smacking her bum is totally inappropriate too - completely wrong. I don't think every man's a paedo and am quite happy for my daughter to chat to men when she's with me ..... but touching her, and touching her bum is entirely different.

Ninks · 03/11/2009 21:31

Thanks for reading it all Don't, (PMSL at your name btw - that's ace!) He had DD's number initially thanks to my sister passing it on because she had no credit. Cheers sis

Only I know that he ^still6 has it and has stored it with her name.

I'd change DD's number but it won't solve the problem because my sis trusts him and will let him have each new one.

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AnyFucker · 03/11/2009 21:33

have you asked him directly why he needs her number ?

I would be tempted to take him on one side and tell him you find his overly affectionate behaviour inappropriate, tbh you should have done that on the day you describe in your OP

he smacked her bum ?? the 1st time he met her ?? No, no and no

also speak to your dd about boundaries with someone who is a virtual stranger

you are right to be very wary

louii · 03/11/2009 21:34

I agree to go with your instinct, this man makes you feel uncomfortable for a reason.
Do not let him near your child.

A really good book called "protecting the gift" by Gavin de Becker is a very good read about how trusting our instincts will protect our children.

ABitHalloweenBatty · 03/11/2009 21:35

Can I just ask, how do you know he has her phone number (if he doesn't know you know?)

Anniegetyourgun · 03/11/2009 21:37

Does your sister really need her niece's number? ^^

louii · 03/11/2009 21:37

Link for book i mentioned, order it, seriously.
www.amazon.co.uk/Protecting-Gift-Keeping-Children-Teenagers/dp/0440509009

DONTtouchMUMSspecialJUICE · 03/11/2009 21:39

speak to your daughter about boundaries and talking to ANY men when your not there. regardless if they are not strangers if you dont want her saying that you said she shouldn't talk to him

change your dd number.

AND make it clear you are uncomfortable with him having her number. there is no reason acceptable. this credit one is pathetic. HE SHOULDN@T HAVE HER NUMBER

if you really dont want a big fall out. tell your sister dd has been getting crank calls and you want no one to have the number but you

AnAuntieNotAMum · 03/11/2009 21:39

I certainly don't see peedos on every corner but I see something seriously wrong with this man. You say that you are scared of your sister going nuclear. What does this really mean? Will she cut off contact with you if you give her some home truths? It sounds like she is so desperate to be loved she is letting any judgement go out of the window.

The idea that a boyfriend of mine might get my niece's phone number without telling me is abhorent.

I sincerely hope there is nothing sinister about this man's intentions but he is clearly bad news. Your sister needs help. Please do phone the NSPCC and get all the advice that you can.

CarGirl · 03/11/2009 21:41

eeeeewww no not comfortable about it at all either.

mrsboogie · 03/11/2009 21:41

Fucking hell alarm bells or what?.

I am not a peados on every corner person either but I would say listen to your instincts every singe time. I would say that you should listen to your instincts even without any of the dodgy sounding stuff that you have posted about him. But he sounds well dodgy. Who the hell picks up a strange 9 year old girl and does that? You wouldn't do it to a 3 year old that you had met for the first time never mind a bigger girl. And why would he want to pick her up from school?

I would be doing some discrete digging. If he has nothing to hide then no harm done. Can you become his friend on Facebook? If he is on JSA he must be on the electoral register?You could check his name on the sex offenders register. He never needs to know about it at least initially so if he really is the perfect dad despite having got to his late thirties without ever doing anything about it before, there will be no harm done.

traceybath · 03/11/2009 21:42

Agree with others about trusting your instincts.

Afraid I would have to talk to sister though as would be concerned regarding her children too.

mrsboogie · 03/11/2009 21:49

Yes, if he is dodgy then your sister's kids are at risk. That is why a little digging is in order.

But the first thing you need to do is somehow get your daughter to understand that if he phones her after school or "happens to be passing" or texts her or contacts her directly in any way that she must call you immediately. Exactly how you do that without scaring her is the difficult bit...

LoveBeingAMummy · 03/11/2009 21:50

Trust your instinct, if your sister won't listen then thats up to her.

Ninks · 03/11/2009 21:52

Your responses are great and it will take a while to filter them, but honestly I am overwhelmed at the support and the good questions that are being asked as I'm asking them myself.

You lot are great you are

Thanks in general for recognising that I have a right to be concerned about R. I'm sure I'm not alone in putting up with mild assault from people who claimed to be just being friendly

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mrsboogie · 03/11/2009 22:00

no you're not alone in that ninks

DuelingFanjo · 03/11/2009 22:04

"He has her mobile number in his Blackberry"

this is odd. There is no reason why he would have this. Can you monitor her phone?

I would be wary.

mrspnut · 03/11/2009 22:05

If I were you I'd give social services a call and ask their advice.

Tell them about his inappropriate behaviour and ask them how you should proceed. If he's known for offences against children then they will know and can set the wheels in motion to protect not only your daughter but your sister's children too.

I would be very concerned by someone that wants to meet a child so quickly and become their friend. I'd also look at getting something suitable for your daughter to read which includes what is safe touching and what isn't. We have ready set grow which covers it amongst other things but we do talk about privacy and not touching or being touched where your swimming costume would cover if you aren't her mum.

Ninks · 03/11/2009 22:06

mrsboogie yes that's the thing. He is dodgy as feck and IF something happened, we'd look like eejits saying, "oh he SAID he lived here" That's not his real name you say? Oh Really? and where would he be now do you think? Anyfuckingwhere?

So how does that help the missing child enquiry given that there is no evidence he was ever around said children?

I know he would charm DD out of phoning me and carry her on his back off to an adventure after a certain lie that I was ill or cared more for my DS, I've told her to go to the secondary school children because there are no adults on her route.

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CarGirl · 03/11/2009 22:07

TBH how can he afford a blackberry, how dodgy is that on its own?

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