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Sister's BF - would you be concerned?

102 replies

Ninks · 03/11/2009 21:14

Hi, I hope I'm not crashing this board but I can't face an AIBU flaming and I do read this a lot and know what you're like

It's a bit long but I hope you'll bear with me.

My sister and her husband separated a year ago and have two children. Since then my sister, (can't call her "D" sis) has had a parade of men from her previous single life coming in and out of the house. Recently however she met someone through a friend of a friend on Facebook, hooked up and he has been a fixture for six weeks.

The first thing that worried me was that the "friend" was more of a frenemy. They had fallen out several times.

Then I found out that after a week or two my sister was letting him babysit her children while she went out at night. Despite not knowing where he lived.

Since then she has been to the shared house where he rents a room a couple of times, but she still hasn't met anyone who can verify his identity. He calls himself RG, and claims to have a sister in our town with whom he has been estranged for years.

He has no proper job. Signs on for JSA but isn't actively looking for work because he has several odd-job cash-in-hand things apparently. My sis has never seen evidence of this beyond him going back to where he lives and coming back with money. So no employer, no company, no record of tax paid. He is "shy" with photos too

He says that all his friends say he would be the "ideal father" and seems desperate to prove that. He wants a baby with sis after they have known each other for a "bit" even though she was supposed to have a hysterectomy after her last child so terrible are pregnancies and childbirth on her health. You'd think he would know and / or respect this. My suggestion that a job might help him get into the ideal father league was met with silence.

In the last month or so he has been with my sis always. We used to do things such as swimming and soft-play with our toddlers but now he is always there. My DD is at school during these times.

Now he knows that I am married and have a DH and the guy is in his late thirties but for the last few weeks he has been saying, "Oh when am I going to get to meet your DD properly?" after seeing pictures of her at my parents house or hearing sis and I discuss her. Not, "Hey - let's all meet up, your husband and other child".

And he has offered to pick DD up from school even though I have just started letting her walk the 7 minutes on her own. He has her mobile number in his Blackberry. He doesn't know that I know that. Must have got it from my sis's phone.

Yesterday was a non-pupil day and I took the DC to town. Was a bit distracted by DS for a sec and before I knew it DD was enveloped in a bear hug and swept off her feet. I was curious to see what would would happen so I accepted the idea of lunch with BF, Sis and all the DC.

He sat next to her, tickling, cuddling, and at the end, put her on his back, legs wrapped around him and turned her upside down and smacked her bum. Playfully

Now I met my lovely DH on the internet when DD was three. When we met in RL I took sensible precautions. After a period of time he met DD too. After about two years he was left alone with her for short periods. He never once complained about this despite being an exemplary father, he never pressured, never encouraged me to go out alone, it just evolved naturally.

And as he says, DD has known his family, his BIL and his Mum's BF who have never once treated DD like that and wouldn't dream of it. They are interested and attentive, have been since she was four, but not desperate to appeal to her.

It was all in public but she is a large nine years old. She loved it, thinks he's a lovely bloke. I don't want to piss all over her fireworks but I do think he is behaving inappropriately and I'm now worried about her walking home from school on her own after seeing how he can charm her.

Today I found out that my sister's best friend's DD can't stand him after having stayed there for the night. Sis says she doesn't care because her DC "adore him".

Obviously I'm not wary of "peedos on every corner" which is the reason I didn't put this in AIBU. And the scoffers at that will be the first to tell you that children who are harmed will be harmed by people they know or family.

I've read enough of this board although have rarely contributed under this name to know that you're a sensible lot when it comes to trusting instincts. DH is also very wary.

I seriously have nobody else to ask apart from my fucked-up family who are wary, yes, but the most important thing to them is to not upset my sis lest she go nuclear.

Just interested in thoughts really. I was also thinking of phoning maybe the NSPCC to get advice, not in a "reporty" way...

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kinnies · 03/11/2009 22:12

I'm sorry but FUCK winding your sister up, he is a wrong 'un!!!!!!!!!!!

Who gets a 9yr olds mobile number without asking her mum??

P-E-A-D-O

I'm sorry but you have to protect your DC's

& ps I read this out to DH (who is the most layed bakk man on earth) and he said that he would take his ( your DSIS BF) head off and shit down his neck.

mrsboogie · 03/11/2009 22:16

yes, people would ask why did you let this man into your life and your kids' life if you didn't even know who he really was.

But you exercised very sensible precautions when your DH was not well known to you and you are so right to do the same again. You can do a lot to protect your own daughter from anything untoward but your sister's kids need someone like you looking out for them if she is too daft to do it herself.

Ninks · 03/11/2009 22:17

Oh sorry that sounds rather mad. I'm not really.

I like the idea of that book mrspnut.

But am I right to be overall - wary?

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ginnny · 03/11/2009 22:18

I think you should get in touch with NSPCC or the police as soon as you can. At least then they will be able to check out his identity and trace his records. If he's signing on as he says then they will have his NI number and the police will be able to trace him through that.
How old are your sisters dc? I'd be really concerned for them tbh, especially as he is left on his own with them.

mrspnut · 03/11/2009 22:23

You are right to be very wary, and you must do everything you can to protect your child. If that means you don't let her out of your sight for a while then so be it, or if your DH happens to know some really big blokes who may like to pay a visit one night and press upon him that a 9 year old is not suitable fodder for his attentions then I'd be turning a blind eye.

The police won't tell you anything, nor will any other agency but SS can give you advice and can try to trace the bloke.

Any info you have or can get would be useful eg dob, address he claims to have.

CarGirl · 03/11/2009 22:30

I didn't get to finish reading the op to DH when he said "that's horrible, stop it, why aren't the phoning the police, they don't even know his name so they can't"

We let our dds have far more freedom than anyone else we know appropriate to their ages and really it is that obvious to us.

I read it to DH as an AIBU thread not mentioning the context at all. Wonder if he's job less because he's on the sex offenders register?

ineedalifelaundry · 03/11/2009 22:35

I wouldn't even allow your dd to walk home alone for the moment. Meet her (or get someone you trust to meet her) at the school gate.

CarGirl · 03/11/2009 22:38

Your dd has met him that makes her very vulnerable I don't think I'd be letting her out of my sight.

Ninks · 03/11/2009 22:44

My sister's DC are 2 and 5 but the older one has a severe speech delay.

Oh and in the town R proposed going off with my DS on his shoulders and everyone else meeting him in Pizza Hut after I had gone to the bank with everyone else - why? That's odd isn't it? I said that he could only take my toddler away as long as my sis and her DC and my DD went too. He honestly thought that I was being unreasonable not letting him take my DS off on his shoulders out of my sight on his own!

How can a man in his late 30's not realise that the mother of the toddler might not want a stranger to carry him off FFS? I don't have to tell you that my my DH is worried sick now, he works all week long hours and he knows the dynamic of my family.

I do have to say that the responses are shoring us up very much. Thank you.

Maybe one day we'll print out this thread.

I will certainly look at it every day and reassure myself that it is better safe than sorry.

Thanks again for not accusing me of thinking all men are peeds. I live very near where this happened:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2292813.stm

and look - it wasn't a stranger far from it.

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TheWheelsOnTheBusHaveFallenOff · 03/11/2009 22:58

Ninks this thread is making my blood run cold. Mainly the issue with your DD right now - so so easy for this utterly dodgy man to call her up, tell her lies, charm her away ... she already thinks he is great, he worked his socks off to make her like him at the lunch, he was basically flirting with her, in 9yo girl terms. Even if you tell her not to go off with him, speak to him etc on any account that's hard to remember when someone is setting out to charm and persuade - he could so easily tell her that you are boring old Mummy,ignore what you say, or that he wants to do something nice for you and your DH, but it's a secret, come and help me etc etc. She would likely buy that type of scenario -

so you must change her mobile number, do not give it to your sister or anyone else who would give it to her, start meeting your dd from school, call SS, speak to police to raise concerns, even if they won't tell you anything they may be able to do their own checks. And reinforce to your dd that stranger danger includes this man, who she will now emphatically not view as a stranger. Even if you do scare her a little, best to get the message through rather than not.

I know all this may sound extreme, like others I'm not a paedo-on-every-corner scaremonger, but from all that you say this man is trouble and you should be better safe than sorry. I don't think you're over-reacting in any way and you should trust your instincts, and act quickly too.

Ninks · 03/11/2009 23:02

Cargirl thank you, and your DH too.

I think about the joblessness and the not needing to provide evidence of job-seeking to the extent that he can spend all week with my sis doing nothing to seek full-time work, and the house-sharing, wondering if it's a protected place for er, certain people.

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fraggletits · 03/11/2009 23:03

I second what everyone is saying - very worrying Ninks - change her number....it's obvious! If it was my sister I wouldn't think twice about jeapordising my relationship with her by a) not giving her my daughters new number and b) telling her creepy new boyfriend to his face infront of everyone to never touch my daughter again

Ninks creeps like him need to know that the family are on to him - honestly - being all British about it is not going to help.

Good luck

Ninks · 03/11/2009 23:05

Wheels, you have articulated my darkest thoughts but they are also my most accurate ones.

Thank you for your response, it is very practical. It doesn't sound extreme to me and I am so glad to have posted here.

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canihaveapeeinpeacepleasebob · 03/11/2009 23:07

is the accomodation a half way house? it all sounds very dodgy to me.
you are not over reacting, you are being a loving protective and sensible mum.
gut instincts are rarely wrong.
there is some good advice on here. contact nspcc and ss, don't let dd walk home on her own, ring the school and make it clear he will never be collecting her early etc, change dd phone number and don't give it to your sister and have a good chat with dd.
this man sounds very creepy and i def would not trust him.

hatesponge · 03/11/2009 23:10

This would make me very uncomfortable. I would be concerned this guy is on the register - certainly he seems to be trying to keep under the radar for some reason, that coupled with his behaviour towards your DD would make me very wary. Agree with suggestions that you speak to police/NSPCC for some advice etc.

Ninks · 03/11/2009 23:28

Thank you for saying "uncomfortable" as that is so how I feel. And I can protect my DC.

My sister also said something about him having to "show his face" in Canada every few years for "certain" purposes even though he has been settled here for over ten years and claims to have dual citizenship. That rang bells for me I must say very early on.

Why would a man with dual citizenship, (born here apparently) and a trade need to go back to Canada every few years to show his face and / or passport or what or why?

I have looked on the Canada SO reg but who is to say that my sis's BF's name is real? Nobody knows who he is!

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SheWillBeLoved · 03/11/2009 23:28

Buy a cheap mobile, change her sim card, and put the one she has now in the new cheap mobile. See if he ever calls/texts it.

Agree with whoever said that their blood was running cold. And I echo the police/NSPCC advice.

mrsboogie · 03/11/2009 23:35

The police may not tell you outright but if this guy had any kind of pervy record or was on the register he would not be allowed anywhere near kids so they would have to do something about that.

I don't now how paedophiles operate but he seems almost too obvious - perhaps a well practised paedophile would be a bit more subtle about worming themselves into your lives? I don't know, maybe he is just trying to ingratiate himself in a most creepy and inappropriate way but I do know that the one of most important things you have at your disposal as a parent are your instincts.

Ninks · 03/11/2009 23:40

mrsboogie thankyou for the sensible advice x

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lilacclaire · 03/11/2009 23:41

I am a paranoid freak, but my dp is definetly not and keeps me well grounded.
So the fact that you dh is not comfortable, man to man, would certainly alarm me, along with everything else you've said.
I would certainly tell him that his behaviour was inappropriate and did he think this was acceptable in this day and age for a near stranger to disappear with a child, but then im not bothered about offending that much more than im concerned about keeping my child safe.

wendyhappysmile · 03/11/2009 23:56

I agree with all the posts before.

  1. change DD's number - putting old sim in a cheapo phone is a good idea someone said before.
  2. Don't allow DD to walk home alone atm.
  3. Reiterate with school office/teacher who is allowed to pick her up from school, if that's appropriate?
  4. Try to avoid seeing this man!
  5. Always trust your instincts. First law of parenting, isn't it?
Ninks · 04/11/2009 00:02

Thank you everyone. I knew this was this was the right place to put this and will print it for reference.

Rest assured I will protect my DD by meeting her right outside the school doors from now on come rain, shine or thunderstorm while I have DS in the pushchair. Poor DD and DS both losing out but worth it for safety.

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lilacclaire · 04/11/2009 00:06

Better safe than sorry ninks.

Ninks · 04/11/2009 00:10

thank you lilacclaire that's what I think, I'm a bit tearful now because I was so upset yesterday and now so relieved that people I respect are agreeing with me and think that I'm not a loon...

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lilacclaire · 04/11/2009 00:15

Your not a loon, everybodys kids are the most precious thing to them, you would never forgive yourself if you ignored your instinct and something happened.
We're not beating around the bush here and its hard to let go of the apron strings, but your instincts are on fire and don't ignore it.

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