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Sister's BF - would you be concerned?

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Ninks · 03/11/2009 21:14

Hi, I hope I'm not crashing this board but I can't face an AIBU flaming and I do read this a lot and know what you're like

It's a bit long but I hope you'll bear with me.

My sister and her husband separated a year ago and have two children. Since then my sister, (can't call her "D" sis) has had a parade of men from her previous single life coming in and out of the house. Recently however she met someone through a friend of a friend on Facebook, hooked up and he has been a fixture for six weeks.

The first thing that worried me was that the "friend" was more of a frenemy. They had fallen out several times.

Then I found out that after a week or two my sister was letting him babysit her children while she went out at night. Despite not knowing where he lived.

Since then she has been to the shared house where he rents a room a couple of times, but she still hasn't met anyone who can verify his identity. He calls himself RG, and claims to have a sister in our town with whom he has been estranged for years.

He has no proper job. Signs on for JSA but isn't actively looking for work because he has several odd-job cash-in-hand things apparently. My sis has never seen evidence of this beyond him going back to where he lives and coming back with money. So no employer, no company, no record of tax paid. He is "shy" with photos too

He says that all his friends say he would be the "ideal father" and seems desperate to prove that. He wants a baby with sis after they have known each other for a "bit" even though she was supposed to have a hysterectomy after her last child so terrible are pregnancies and childbirth on her health. You'd think he would know and / or respect this. My suggestion that a job might help him get into the ideal father league was met with silence.

In the last month or so he has been with my sis always. We used to do things such as swimming and soft-play with our toddlers but now he is always there. My DD is at school during these times.

Now he knows that I am married and have a DH and the guy is in his late thirties but for the last few weeks he has been saying, "Oh when am I going to get to meet your DD properly?" after seeing pictures of her at my parents house or hearing sis and I discuss her. Not, "Hey - let's all meet up, your husband and other child".

And he has offered to pick DD up from school even though I have just started letting her walk the 7 minutes on her own. He has her mobile number in his Blackberry. He doesn't know that I know that. Must have got it from my sis's phone.

Yesterday was a non-pupil day and I took the DC to town. Was a bit distracted by DS for a sec and before I knew it DD was enveloped in a bear hug and swept off her feet. I was curious to see what would would happen so I accepted the idea of lunch with BF, Sis and all the DC.

He sat next to her, tickling, cuddling, and at the end, put her on his back, legs wrapped around him and turned her upside down and smacked her bum. Playfully

Now I met my lovely DH on the internet when DD was three. When we met in RL I took sensible precautions. After a period of time he met DD too. After about two years he was left alone with her for short periods. He never once complained about this despite being an exemplary father, he never pressured, never encouraged me to go out alone, it just evolved naturally.

And as he says, DD has known his family, his BIL and his Mum's BF who have never once treated DD like that and wouldn't dream of it. They are interested and attentive, have been since she was four, but not desperate to appeal to her.

It was all in public but she is a large nine years old. She loved it, thinks he's a lovely bloke. I don't want to piss all over her fireworks but I do think he is behaving inappropriately and I'm now worried about her walking home from school on her own after seeing how he can charm her.

Today I found out that my sister's best friend's DD can't stand him after having stayed there for the night. Sis says she doesn't care because her DC "adore him".

Obviously I'm not wary of "peedos on every corner" which is the reason I didn't put this in AIBU. And the scoffers at that will be the first to tell you that children who are harmed will be harmed by people they know or family.

I've read enough of this board although have rarely contributed under this name to know that you're a sensible lot when it comes to trusting instincts. DH is also very wary.

I seriously have nobody else to ask apart from my fucked-up family who are wary, yes, but the most important thing to them is to not upset my sis lest she go nuclear.

Just interested in thoughts really. I was also thinking of phoning maybe the NSPCC to get advice, not in a "reporty" way...

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Monty100 · 04/11/2009 00:24

Yes, I'd be so concerned I'd confront him about his behaviour and I would also stop it.

OMG - not worth the risks. And to me tevery moment he has her number or may sneak aa private moment with your dd or any other child is a risk.

Hope that doesn't sound ott but he sounds dodgy.

Ninks · 04/11/2009 00:24

Thank you x

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Monty100 · 04/11/2009 00:25

Sorry about typos, I have a kitten on my arm!

Ninks · 04/11/2009 00:34

Aw, now I am jealous, bless

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RealityBites · 04/11/2009 08:07

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Ninks · 04/11/2009 09:24

Cheers Reality, unfortunately dodgy men are a speciality of my sisters, she is for want of a better word, desperate.

Well I called the NSPCC, they were very nice but can't do anything unless there is something more concrete to go on, actual harm was the implication.

They echoed the excellent advice I have had on this thread, to change the phone, make sure to pick DD up from school, talk to him about his behaviour and so on. I will also be talking to DD and getting the books.

Thanks so much.

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NicknameTaken · 04/11/2009 10:36

Love the idea about putting your dd's sim in a cheap mobile. If he does text her, I'd be straight down to the police.

You're doing a good job of protecting your dd but I find myself really worrying about your sister's kids. He babysits alone for a five-year old with a speech delay? This really scares me.

cestlavielife · 04/11/2009 12:21

very dangerous - peadophiles do act nice and friendly - they try to win trust, they prey on single mums...etcetc.

your sister is being very naive.

aurynne · 04/11/2009 20:07

Ninks, I would like to contribute to this thread too. I am Spanish, and in my culture males usually have much more contact with children; Spaniards are in general much more touchy, and people are not scared to play with other people's children. I have been living in the UK and in New Zealand and was always horrified at the "paedo in every corner" culture and how men seem to be scared of even getting close to a child for fear of being considered "dodgy".

BUT, reading your post has made all MY Spanish alarms ring. Even if I had never got out of my homeland, I would feel troubled by the man you're describing. I would like to support the general idea on this post of being extremely wary about this man. If I were you, next time you're with him and your sister, I'd start asking him very specific questions about him, his name, his origins, and his previous employers. And I would put pressure on him to answer the questions properly. And then, I would run to check all that he said.

I am very sorry you have to worry like this, but as you very well said, better safe than sorry. The best I can hope for is that this man disappears from your sister's life as fast as he came into it. And I am hurting for your sister's DC...

Best of luck, please keep us updated on this!

Hugs,

Aurynne

butidid · 05/11/2009 09:34

Have to jump in and agree here - I work with children and have unfortunately come across several paedophiles & my alarm bells are ringing big time.

Remember that they are incredibly devious, and will likely be one step ahead of you in their thinking. They plot and plan for a long time before making a move - starting with fairly innocuous things, which dont sound too bad, he could defend etc. If he does stuff like that in front of you then your daughter thinks thats ok. I know of men who scoped out playgrounds to see who the single mums were then approached the mums & started relationships with them in order to get to the children.

You are a good mother for picking up worrying signs, I would act on your instincts now.

SolidGoldBangers · 05/11/2009 09:50

I'd be worried about this creep as well. ANd I think I would take him on one side and say, I don't trust you and I'm checking out your background, and you're not going to be having any more contact with my children. ANd hope that might actually scare him off so he disappears.

lisad123wantsherquoteinDM · 05/11/2009 09:58

have only read OP so sorry if i repeat. Can you maybe have your dds number (the one you know he has) and see what he is texting her? I would call SS and explain your concerns, if he has any record against children or volience towards a woman they will know. They can ask police to check him out, I really would, its worth the call. Give them all the details you have, you would be surprised what they know on file.
I agree with picking dd up form school and maybe explaining to your sister your concerns and explain to them that you will not be leaving your childrenin their care as you dont know him, if his a reasonable adult he would understand.
HTH

verytellytubby · 05/11/2009 10:06

My alarm bells would be ringing too. I'd feel very uncomfortable with it all. I can't add to the already brilliant advice already given but it sounds like he does live in a half way house.

ilove · 05/11/2009 10:10

I'd be worried too. Get her another phone and swop the sims...needless to say, don't tell DD you've done it!

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orangina · 05/11/2009 10:33

You could look up the title deeds of the address that he claims to live at... you might find it is owned by an association that runs half way houses etc. Would definitely go to the police and tell them the whole story. They should know about the property that he claims to live at, and it is worth them being aware of your concerns. Would be hugely worried if I were you too, do not think you are over reacting at all.

orangina · 05/11/2009 10:36

(sorry, x posts w realitybites...)

SueMunch · 05/11/2009 10:57

Agree with all the advice here. Two thoughts I have on this:

If he is a peadophile then he will probably set himself up as an idyllic person in the eyes of your sister and her children. Once this situation is established, it will give give him a basis to approach other children - your sister will then leap to his defence 'my kids adore him' if he accused. He will be that calculated.

The comments regarding a friend's daughter made me worry too. She obviously sensed something wrong.

Take extra care of your daughter until you speak to the police. You have nothing to fear by following this up - he is a stranger.

Lemonylemon · 05/11/2009 11:28

I try to damp down my fears a bit as I'm afraid that I "tend" to be a bit over-protective of my kids, but this post has my flesh crawling. Alarm bells are ringing loud.....

Lemonylemon · 05/11/2009 11:30

Actually, having had another quick squiz at your OP, can't your sister's husband be brought up to speed on this? Or is your relationship with him not too good? I'm sure that he would be more than helpful in trying to dig up information on this very odd man....

edam · 05/11/2009 11:44

Very good point from Lemony. Although I can see it may cause massive ructions with your sister, might be worth it to protect her kids.

Also agree you or your dh or both should make it clear to this man that you are onto him. If he is dodgy, while he thinks you are all falling for his nice guy act, he may feel able to move onto whatever he's planning next. Very grim indeed.

And investigate whether this accommodation is a half-way house or hostel or whatever.

LuluSkipToMyLou · 05/11/2009 11:52

Agree with all the advice above. Forget what his relationship with your sister is, you and DH need to tell him it's not acceptable to have your DD's number on his Blackberry. Be honest with him and tell him you barely know him, and what you do know makes you feel suspicious. If he's not genuine, the fact that you're standing up to him may be enough to make him realise he's been caught out and should move on. And if that happens, maybe you should ring SS/police, as he may either be known to them, or should be known to them.

Oh, and I wouldn't hesitate in being honest with DD and telling her to have nothing to do with him if you're not around, no matter what he says. She'll certainly have had PHSE lessons on that sort of thing at school, and she's old enough to be told that even people you know can't always be trusted. Sad but true.

Ninks · 05/11/2009 12:03

More excellent advice and ideas, thank you all.

Lisa he hasn't made contact with DD as far as I can see yet but swapping the sim will let me monitor that.

I think my sister may have told him to tone down his behaviour because I saw him yesterday (wasn't expecting to, I didn't know he'd be there) and he was very very cool with me. Didn't say a word.

Perhaps he was trying to make me feel guilty and unreasonable I don't know, people can be manipulative like that, making you think that what you want is trivial? I'm probably not explaining that very well, but anyway, I couldn't have cared less about his sulking and didn't even mention it.

My sister is also starting to get irritated with him for other reasons so fingers crossed he may be on his way out.

But then apparently she went out again the night before leaving him with the children and he got up several times in the night to her toddler. DN was screaming for over an hour while we were out and I was terrified that he may have hurt her. Sister says no it was just that she was exhausted because he wouldn't let her sleep in the morning because he was tired. If that's true it's a mean, spiteful and selfish attitude to take to a little girl

He "lovely" when they're alone and in bed presumably. But that's easy isn't it? I have told her a million times over the years that talk is cheap and it's a person's actions that count but she can't seem to get that.

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Ninks · 05/11/2009 12:06

Sadly her DH isn't the brightest or nicest person either. When he found out that she was in a relationship he basically said, "well I'm not babysitting any more - get your new man to do it!"

that people think like this. I'd be frantic to meet a new partner and try to be amicable for the sake of the DC but no it's all about them...

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TheWheelsOnTheBusHaveFallenOff · 05/11/2009 12:26

does your sis not think it weird that he's happy to stay in and babysit while she goes out??? new partners tend to want to see each other , not play babysitter to someone else's children. I think you need to act quickly now with regard to the safety of your sister's dcs ... they are being left alone in the care of someone that you and others here at the very least believe to be dodgy (and certainly capable of being less than "great with kids" - keeping DN up because of him being tired), and possibly a paedo.