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Sister's BF - would you be concerned?

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Ninks · 03/11/2009 21:14

Hi, I hope I'm not crashing this board but I can't face an AIBU flaming and I do read this a lot and know what you're like

It's a bit long but I hope you'll bear with me.

My sister and her husband separated a year ago and have two children. Since then my sister, (can't call her "D" sis) has had a parade of men from her previous single life coming in and out of the house. Recently however she met someone through a friend of a friend on Facebook, hooked up and he has been a fixture for six weeks.

The first thing that worried me was that the "friend" was more of a frenemy. They had fallen out several times.

Then I found out that after a week or two my sister was letting him babysit her children while she went out at night. Despite not knowing where he lived.

Since then she has been to the shared house where he rents a room a couple of times, but she still hasn't met anyone who can verify his identity. He calls himself RG, and claims to have a sister in our town with whom he has been estranged for years.

He has no proper job. Signs on for JSA but isn't actively looking for work because he has several odd-job cash-in-hand things apparently. My sis has never seen evidence of this beyond him going back to where he lives and coming back with money. So no employer, no company, no record of tax paid. He is "shy" with photos too

He says that all his friends say he would be the "ideal father" and seems desperate to prove that. He wants a baby with sis after they have known each other for a "bit" even though she was supposed to have a hysterectomy after her last child so terrible are pregnancies and childbirth on her health. You'd think he would know and / or respect this. My suggestion that a job might help him get into the ideal father league was met with silence.

In the last month or so he has been with my sis always. We used to do things such as swimming and soft-play with our toddlers but now he is always there. My DD is at school during these times.

Now he knows that I am married and have a DH and the guy is in his late thirties but for the last few weeks he has been saying, "Oh when am I going to get to meet your DD properly?" after seeing pictures of her at my parents house or hearing sis and I discuss her. Not, "Hey - let's all meet up, your husband and other child".

And he has offered to pick DD up from school even though I have just started letting her walk the 7 minutes on her own. He has her mobile number in his Blackberry. He doesn't know that I know that. Must have got it from my sis's phone.

Yesterday was a non-pupil day and I took the DC to town. Was a bit distracted by DS for a sec and before I knew it DD was enveloped in a bear hug and swept off her feet. I was curious to see what would would happen so I accepted the idea of lunch with BF, Sis and all the DC.

He sat next to her, tickling, cuddling, and at the end, put her on his back, legs wrapped around him and turned her upside down and smacked her bum. Playfully

Now I met my lovely DH on the internet when DD was three. When we met in RL I took sensible precautions. After a period of time he met DD too. After about two years he was left alone with her for short periods. He never once complained about this despite being an exemplary father, he never pressured, never encouraged me to go out alone, it just evolved naturally.

And as he says, DD has known his family, his BIL and his Mum's BF who have never once treated DD like that and wouldn't dream of it. They are interested and attentive, have been since she was four, but not desperate to appeal to her.

It was all in public but she is a large nine years old. She loved it, thinks he's a lovely bloke. I don't want to piss all over her fireworks but I do think he is behaving inappropriately and I'm now worried about her walking home from school on her own after seeing how he can charm her.

Today I found out that my sister's best friend's DD can't stand him after having stayed there for the night. Sis says she doesn't care because her DC "adore him".

Obviously I'm not wary of "peedos on every corner" which is the reason I didn't put this in AIBU. And the scoffers at that will be the first to tell you that children who are harmed will be harmed by people they know or family.

I've read enough of this board although have rarely contributed under this name to know that you're a sensible lot when it comes to trusting instincts. DH is also very wary.

I seriously have nobody else to ask apart from my fucked-up family who are wary, yes, but the most important thing to them is to not upset my sis lest she go nuclear.

Just interested in thoughts really. I was also thinking of phoning maybe the NSPCC to get advice, not in a "reporty" way...

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Leeka · 05/11/2009 12:44

Can you speak further to the friend that your sister met him through, to find out what it is about him that makes her feel uncomfortable? If you say that you're asking because you feel wary of him on behalf of the children, she might be happy to tell you a bit more about him.

Ninks · 05/11/2009 13:02

I don't know the person who got them together but may be able to speak to the friend with the DD, (younger than mine I might add) who felt very uncomfortable.

I've spoken to my Dad who says he doesn't have an exact address, but that it's a lodging house with a private landlord. But he would say that, it'd need to be checked.

And have remembered another thing about the meeting with DD. While he was carting her around he said, "oh I want to steal you daughter for the day. Can I steal your daughter?" to which I didn't reply with anything other than a

I really don't know about that because as I've said, it may be that the guy has no social skills or notion of appropriateness, or it could be deviousness, saying and doing things in the open. But it was yet another incident which added to the queasy feelings.

I will have to talk to him. Sister swears she didn't give him DD's number and it may be that he has a mate with the same name but even if that's true there are quite a few things adding up to a picture I don't especially like. He seems to have had every job going for instance, has been a this or a that, worked here, there, everywhere but he's happy to not be employed now?

Edam you're right, while he thinks I'm falling for it he'll get confident. I've notice that about people who tell bullshit stories, you have to nip it in the bud or they'll go on the tell even bigger ones! Just hope this bloke is a total bullshitter and all-round loser rather than anything more sinister.

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NicknameTaken · 05/11/2009 13:06

"But then apparently she went out again the night before leaving him with the children and he got up several times in the night to her toddler. DN was screaming for over an hour while we were out and I was terrified that he may have hurt her. Sister says no it was just that she was exhausted because he wouldn't let her sleep in the morning because he was tired. If that's true it's a mean, spiteful and selfish attitude to take to a little girl".

Oh dear god. I hope she's okay. I know she has speech delays, but is there any way you can talk to her? And I don't understand the excuse - he wouldn't let her sleep because he was tired? If he was tired, surely he'd prefer to have her sleeping?

traceybath · 05/11/2009 13:11

Could you do any babysitting she needs doing in the short term - rather than leave the children with him?

Ninks · 05/11/2009 13:14

You'd think, yes. So much for "ideal father" material.

It's the older child with the speech delay but obviously DN is only a toddler so can't say much.

I am very embarrassed that I may have been wrong about the phone and jumped to conclusions but within the bigger picture that's understandable I hope.

Pure chance that though, it was left in the car and I don't really know my way around the things, just saw the name which isn't that common and thought with the offering to get DD from school that he may have stored it. It could be true still as I don't know DD's number it's just on family member's phones so I can always get it if I lose mine.

Otherwise I've noticed he is pathological about that thing. Glued to it always and doesn't let my sister near it or his laptop ever she told me today. Sis has lost her internet access and he's a great caring sharing sort of guy apparently so why the hell not?

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Ninks · 05/11/2009 13:17

traceybath no, I have a sleepless DS and he needs me to get him back to sleep. Sis goes out from eight until gone midnight twice a week.

But I am keeping a close eye on them

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traceybath · 05/11/2009 13:28

What a nightmare.

Well I think I would very frankly say to your sister that you are concerned - very concerned about his intentions and how is she going to feel if something does happen.

mrsboogie · 05/11/2009 13:44

forget the number in the phone thing - that's only a tiny part of the picture.

It is odd for a new bloke to be babysitting her kids. Very odd.

BarackObamasTransitVan · 05/11/2009 13:45

What an horrible situation - even if the guy is OK (albeit a little odd).
OK so I've not read the thread in detail but could you contact the police and tell them what you've told us?
Even if you don't know his name perhaps they could cruise by, next time he's due at your sister's, to see if he's known to them or something?
I'm sure there are coppers on MN who could advise.

edam · 05/11/2009 14:28

Even if the phone thing is a coincidence, he's still behaving oddly enough to set off alarm bells.

SueMunch · 09/11/2009 10:23

Was wondering how this is going - any updates?

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EldritchCleaver · 10/11/2009 13:14

Ninks,
I second all the concerns expressed on here.

I think it is very important for you and your DH to be really robust when dealing with him. He's testing you, it seems to me, to see what you'll put up with/let him get away with, whether you'll be the sort who are too embarrassed to say anything or challenge him and whether you are too worried about fall-out with your sister to set appropriate limits. Every time you don't say anything, he will be emboldened to go further.

Who knows if he is a paedo? The fact is, he has no boundaries, does not respect your position as a parent and is not being open and transparent about himself. Enough reason to see him off.

In your place, I have to say I would not let my DD go to her aunt's house or be in his company and would be quite forthright at telling him I did not like what he had done and did not want him to do it again. Without elaboration or explanation. Why not tell him you do not see any good reason why he should have your DD's number and any contact he wants with her has to be through you? If he kicked off, I would stare him out.

If my dear parents had had the nous to do this, back in the day, my life would have been very much the better. No need for you to take any risks, after all, over such a loser.

TrippleBerryFairy · 10/11/2009 17:36

'Today I found out that my sister's best friend's DD can't stand him after having stayed there for the night' - is there any way to find out what has happened any why the girl can't stand him?

I'd treat him like a paedo until it is proved otherwise (treating him like normal until it's proved otherwise is not an option here). At the moment all the things indicate he is up to no good.

'He says that all his friends say he would be the "ideal father" and seems desperate to prove that' - who are those 'all his friends'? Have you or your sister had a chance to meet any of them yet? I think they are all imaginary, he is a stinking liar.

Agree with everything said before me.

clam · 10/11/2009 18:07

Wow. Just stumbled across this thread.

Steer. Well. Clear. For your DD's sake.
But then there are your DSis's kids who are also at risk. They're not too young.

I don't think anyone on here is over-reacting. We all feel uncomfortable with what you've told us. And if the data is true about how many "dodgy" people there are out there in the community then, statistically speaking, the chances are we all have come into contact with someone. Why should this guy not be one of them?

You must warn your DD. You don't have to say that you think he's a possible paedophile, just that you're not comfortable with her having anything to do with him when you are not around, and that she must tell you of anything that happens, whether or not she thinks it's fine.

TheWheelsOnTheBusHaveFallenOff · 13/11/2009 22:06

Ninks - any updates? Hope all is ok.

KimiTheThreadSlayer · 13/11/2009 22:23

Please please go with your instincts on this, he sounds seriously creepy to me.

I do not think He should be left alone with your sisters children as she hardly knows him, what on earth is she doing letting just anyone mind her kids?
What does the childrens father think about it? Does he know?
Can you change your DDs phone number?

edam · 13/11/2009 22:46

ninks, hope everything's OK?

Changednames4this · 14/11/2009 01:17

Please go with your instincts.
I made the mistake of not doing so once, when DS1 was 6 and I will never forgive myself!

My cousin was living with me as she could not cope with her ASD ds who was 5, had speech delays and many other delays. Well one night we went out and left her then boyfriend and my then husband with the dc.

When we got back ex-H said "J shouted at DS but i dealt with it"

I made a comment to J, something along the lines of "You have no right to be shouting at my DS if he needs to be told off thats my place not yours whn you have only been in her (meaning cousin) life for 6 weeks"

and left it at that.

3 weeks later I was sitting with ds1 and he said to me "Mummy can i tell you anything" so I said of course he replied a reply that chills me to the bone to this day

"Mummy J touched my willy"

Needless to say I went mental, my cousin continued to see this piece of scum and leave her ds with him. I did take it to the police but ds was petrified and wouldn't let me go he was sobbing and so they could not take a statement from him. This man got away with it, my cousin fled to manchester, and I reported her to social services. That was 6 years ago now and she refuses to have anything to do with me anymore but I do know she still has SS monitoring her and has weekly meetings with them.

Sorry I rambled a bit there but please NEVER ignore your instincts.

Ninks · 15/11/2009 08:26

Just seen this, thanks Wheels.

Lord such terrible stories

Rest assured I have been picking my DD up from school every day and she has had no contact with this man even in my presence nor have I for that matter.

Sister's friend's DD was just creeped out by him. She is a very articulate girl with a protective and clued up mother.

It is a worry that he doesn't seem to have any friends or people who can vouch for him. He has fallen out with his Dad and sister but not his mother who is in Canada and also claims to have a brother who died but hasn't given any details of that to me or my sister. I find that strange since they are in a supposed to be in a close relationship.

He was testing me I think, and is aware that I am wary for all the DC concerned but I will have to do something more, not sure if the police will take it seriously but maybe SS or report them both for benefit fraud in order to scare him off?

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JennyPennyNAPPYWEB · 21/11/2009 14:02

I would DEFINATLY contach SS, if nothing else, I am sure they will check his history. If he has a history of child abuse or anything then I am sure they will help.

Please do something though as your sisters children need protecting and if you are suspcious then you have a responsibily to them to a certain degree IMo.

But well done to you, you sound really caring and well done for letting your instints guide you against this man.

Have you tried googling his name? Might be useless, but worth a try maybe? Depends how common the name is really!

monkeyfeathers · 21/11/2009 19:54

I think your suggestion of reporting him for benefit fraud might be a good idea. Firstly, he is committing benefit fraud and it annoys me that people who do make it so much more difficult and unpleasant for other people (who are not going to commit fraud) to do so. More importantly, if he is up to anything, being investigated for benefit fraud might be enough to make him move on and leave your kids and neice and nephew alone.

mummy247 · 21/11/2009 21:10

I dont know if you know you can get a tracker for mobile phones for children it gives u a number and u put it in on a website it tells u exactly where the mobile phone is at all times my friends dd got it after the dd was attacked she is 9

i hope ur ok and keep ur dd away from this man

Ninks · 25/11/2009 09:16

I didn't see the last few responses, thank you for those.

Just in case you missed it in a recent thread, he has been off the scene for a week following a series of arguments and had a friend collect his things from my sister's house yesterday. Fingers crossed

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